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I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...

I used to quite like the Breen when I was younger, and was surprised when I saw they weren't overly popular. When I've rewatched over the years, I can see how they sort of just appear out of nowhere, and are a conveniently strong race to boot.

Their most important role was in continuing to make Damar feel uncomfortable about being under Dominion rule, and I still like their enigmatic qualities.
 
I used to quite like the Breen when I was younger, and was surprised when I saw they weren't overly popular. When I've rewatched over the years, I can see how they sort of just appear out of nowhere, and are a conveniently strong race to boot.
Come to think of it, they are a bit like the Tholians. Mysterious and dangerous, inhuman and requiring a radically different environment.
 
Yes to all this, except I'd hope what we get to "know" about them would remain relatively limited. The mystery is a big part of their appeal.

I would have liked a little more fleshing out of them as a political club that the Vorta were using to beat the Cardassian's and Damar with specifically. A little deeper fleshing out of the internal politics there, over a longer period. Keep the race themselves mysterious to a point. But go a little deeper into how they upset the balance's of power in both the Dominion alliances and the Federation.
 
But go a little deeper into how they upset the balance's of power in both the Dominion alliances and the Federation.
Basically, if we were going to fight "for Cardassia," maybe we should have seen more of conditions on Cardassia, especially as the Breen took over.
 
Star Trek: Insurrection

4/10

Insurrection is a film that's about something. The hard part is having to pin that something down.

This is the ninth film in the Star Trek series and the third TNG film. Picard, Data and the crew of the Enterprise-E are back in action as they go out to save the selfish and spoiled Ba'ku from the more logical and forward-thinking Son'a (along with Starfleet... yes, Picard is going against orders to save these Ba'ku assholes).

What I don't get is the motivations of any of these characters or the premise itself. None of it makes any sense. The episode, Journey's End, was brought to my attention after watching the film. In Journey's End, Picard is ordered to remove Native American settlers from the colony of Dorvan V to be turned over to the Cardassians. Picard, without question, willfully follows these orders and urges the colonists to evacuate to a nearby homeworld. When they refuse, he even prepares to transport the colonists to the Enterprise by force. Eventually, the Cardassians and the colonists come to a solution that does not involve Picard changing his stance on the subject, the Enterprise leaves the planet, and they move on to other adventures.

In this "film", Picard and the crew rebel for reasons I just don't understand. The Ba'ku come across to me as a self-centred, egocentric race. I was actually empathizing with the Son'a throughout the movie, they're the good guys in this film. The Son'a are there to survey the planet with Starfleet and try to find a peaceful way to get the Ba'ku settlers off the planet so they can use their almighty "fountain-of-youth" powers and share it across the galaxy, giving new life and eternal youth to billions of Federation citizens. For Picard, Riker, Data and the rest of the idiots on the Enterprise-E though, the comfort of 600 settlers on the Ba'ku planet are more important than the lives of billions of Federation citizens. No one even has to die, it's not a trade-off, the Ba'ku just have to move to another world. It's not like they'll lose their powers or anything, they literally just have to move next door.

But Prime Directive says "you can't interfere with the natural evolution of a planet and its people", or something like that. This is much different though. Despite the different crews of the different shows breaking this rule time and time again, it's a serious offence here. I don't remember it being a serious offence when Picard tried moving those colonists by force in Journey's End? Why is it so revolting here? Has Picard been taking funny meds? Did someone tamper with the Enterprise's replicators? That's really the only explanation I can come up with for the characters' downright idiotic motives and actions since All Good Things.... What am I supposed to get out of this? It feels like a movie that's preaching about something, but what? If someone asks you to share your incredible powers of immortality so that billions of others can benefit from them, shoot them until they fuck off?

There's a lot of other things I could complain about. It feels like a crappy two-parter from season 7, for one, and has nowhere near enough scale or interesting ideas to build a movie around. It's boring. The holoship makes no sense whatsoever. Did they run out of money for the ending sequence? Why is The Collector just a big blue-screen set? Picard is back again shooting and romancing, because for some reason, Picard on the big-screen has to be dumbed down and short-tempered like an emotional teenager (or horny teenagers in the cases of Riker and Troi), despite being 60-years-old. And yeah, yeah, they give a throwaway line for this that the radiation is making everyone act more rebellious with the exception of Data, but that's a load of crap. I'm not taking that excuse!

As for the good things, the actors did their jobs I guess. I liked Patrick Stewart as I do in everything else he does, LeVar Burton had a very nice scene when his vision returned (and it's probably the only thing I can remember him doing in the whole film), and the guest stars are all well-cast. The opening theme, Ba'ku Village, is gorgeous. Unfortunately, the rest of Goldsmith's score is fairly bland and forgettable. I don't think Frakes is a bad director, the production values are a bit sloppy but he knows how to make a movie, the problems here lie solely in the writing. The strange thing is that Michael Piller, the writer of this film, is the same guy that's responsible for the turnaround in season 3 of TNG and the many great seasons that followed, this is the same guy who wrote The Best of Both Worlds Part I & II, he created DS9 and VOY. How did he miss the mark by so much in Insurrection?

Another hit and miss, but mostly miss, entry into the TNG film franchise. How disappointing.


Now's the time to read Pillers book. It's fairly short and gives a good explanation of everything that went wrong with this movie.

Most of which can be summed up in two words:

Patrick Stewart.
 
Miles and Julian's friendship is so heartwarming. It's one of the biggest things I'll miss about this show, now only two episodes left :wah:

Oh, and by the way, seeing the dad from Wonderfalls playing this evil and slimy Section 31 operative is pretty weird, he manages to pull it off though!
Do you mean Sloan? To me he'll always be the Grim Reaper.
 
Yeah, the Equinox crew is what Voyager's crew should be like by this point. I always assumed the ep was written with that in mind, sort of the writers getting it out of their systems.
 
Watched the season 5 finale of VOY, Equinox, last night.

Voyager encounters another Federation ship that seems to be populated entirely by humans and is commanded by two white males, one of them called Captain Ransom... literally. Surprise! It's just been attacked by nucleogenic flying monster things and Janeway and the crew have to save them. They later learn that the crew of the USS Equinox has abandoned their Starfleet principles and the Prime Directive in order to survive, perhaps what Janeway should've done a long time ago. Then again, Voyager seems to be doing just fine thanks to VOY logic. The Equinox crew transports back to their ship and sails away, Voyager is attacked by nucleogenic flying monster things, aaaand it leaves us on another disappointing cliffhanger with a predictable resolution.

I feel like the premise has some potential, but I don't like the execution. It's boring and much too black-and-white for me. The Equinox crew are painted out as evil bad guys with no redeeming qualities and Janeway is, again, the gatekeeper and unfaltering hero who can do no wrong. Like... I think Ransom has a good point, I think his actions shouldn't be condemned right away considering he doesn't have a big, indestructible Intrepid-class ship at his command and we have no clue what he's gone through up until this point. DS9's characters are great for their "shades of grey", no one on that station is perfect by any means. VOY on the other hand, especially in this particular episode, is filled with happy go lucky white meat superheroes (another reason why Seven is easily the best character on that show) who are always right. If I had to serve on Voyager or Equinox, I'd jump on-board Equinox nine times out of ten. Call me anti-"Gene's vision" all you like, but at least they seem to be putting efficiency over morals and principles in a part of space that has no morals or principles.

The Equinox two-parter was two of VOY's better episodes, but that in itself says a lot. In season two's Alliance, Janeway seemed to be on the verge of a breakthrough when the Kazon were continuously beating the shit out of the ship. She was looking for different solutions, and was even thinking of a Kazon alliance, and possibly trading technology.

But instead at the end was one of the show's biggest missteps. Janeway decided that she and the crew should stick to Starfleet principles, and thus it was business as usual. Unfortunately for the show, it was out of the head writer's hands (whoever it was at the time). UPN were after a show that was similar in style to TNG, that would appeal to the casual viewer. VOY spent far too much time chasing said viewers, as the fact that it was a show with Star Trek in the title, would show that a built-in audience would be guaranteed if it was entertaining enough.

As much as it would have been interesting to see the Voyager crew in the same sort of mess that the Equinox crew were in, I still don't think it would have to doom and gloom all the time. I think VOY would have benefitted by being somewhere between DS9 and TNG in terms of ongoing crises and stories.

Don't get me wrong, VOY had a lot going for it. It would tell a lot of good individual stories, the cast were usually up for it, and it always looked good as well.

It could have been so more though.
 
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His relationship with his father was one unlike anything I'd ever seen in any show, and that ending really does bring it all together.
IMO, it was the most important thing about the series, and I'm sure that the reason I kiss my son everyday is because Sisko kissed his son everyday.
 
I found the flashbacks with Ezri pulled me out of the story. I understand Terry Farrell would have had to be paid if they used cut scenes of her, but it really was too bad.

The ONE thing I would have changed, plotwise, was that I would have left Kira on Cardassia. Think about it - the iconic Bajoran freedom fighter, who spent her youth trying to free her people from Cardassian oppression, ends up on Cardassia trying to free Cardassians from oppression. That she helped get the movement started was brilliant, but keeping her there would have been pure poetry.
 
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Watched the season 5 finale of VOY, Equinox, last night.

Voyager encounters another Federation ship that seems to be populated entirely by humans and is commanded by two white males, one of them called Captain Ransom... literally. Surprise! It's just been attacked by nucleogenic flying monster things and Janeway and the crew have to save them. They later learn that the crew of the USS Equinox has abandoned their Starfleet principles and the Prime Directive in order to survive, perhaps what Janeway should've done a long time ago. Then again, Voyager seems to be doing just fine thanks to VOY logic. The Equinox crew transports back to their ship and sails away, Voyager is attacked by nucleogenic flying monster things, aaaand it leaves us on another disappointing cliffhanger with a predictable resolution.

I feel like the premise has some potential, but I don't like the execution. It's boring and much too black-and-white for me. The Equinox crew are painted out as evil bad guys with no redeeming qualities and Janeway is, again, the gatekeeper and unfaltering hero who can do no wrong. Like... I think Ransom has a good point, I think his actions shouldn't be condemned right away considering he doesn't have a big, indestructible Intrepid-class ship at his command and we have no clue what he's gone through up until this point. DS9's characters are great for their "shades of grey", no one on that station is perfect by any means. VOY on the other hand, especially in this particular episode, is filled with happy go lucky white meat superheroes (another reason why Seven is easily the best character on that show) who are always right. If I had to serve on Voyager or Equinox, I'd jump on-board Equinox nine times out of ten. Call me anti-"Gene's vision" all you like, but at least they seem to be putting efficiency over morals and principles in a part of space that has no morals or principles.

Up next, I post my thoughts on DS9's final nine-chapter story arc and series finale, as well as my thoughts on the series as a whole. Time to wrap this up!

One of the shows to put on you watch list after Trek is Ron Moore's nu Battlestar Galactica. He hits that same ship to ship contrast of decision making head on in his stories involving the Galactica and the Pegasus that is just so much better. It really showed what Voyager could have been.
 
What You Leave Behind is the end of an extraordinary show and one of the best series finales I've ever seen, to a series I've immensely enjoyed throughout its seven season run. 170+ episodes have led up to this point: the Dominion War is coming to an epic conclusion... and the Emissary's final test is at hand.

First off, the series as a whole, in my opinion, is far and away the most well-crafted, passionate and best-written in the franchise. I love TOS, it's probably my favourite to just sit down and watch, TNG is just as great and probably has the highest amount of great standalone episodes of all the shows, but DS9 is unrivaled in terms of writing, story and characters. No doubt. The recurring characters on DS9 who we may only see a few times every season are more layered and complex than any of the characters in the other shows, it's incredible. The evolution and development they go through from the first episode to the final episode is shocking, it's unheard of in any other Trek before this. Just look at Nog. Not even a regular cast member and he goes from bratty little Ferengi kid who cares nothing for Federation rules, to young cadet with high aspirations, to Starfleet Lieutenant serving aboard the USS Defiant.

The nine-chapter story arc to conclude the series is really just a gift to the fans who've been watching the show for its full seven-year run. It's everything you want or expect out of a DS9 finale and more. It's fully serialized and plays out like a good novel, it really feels like a work coming from the heart made by people who loved their show. And I loved it as a viewer. What You Leave Behind is the final entry to this long story arc and an epic finale. The Federation have won the war, the Dominion have gone home to the Gamma Quadrant, Weyoun is dead, Damar dies saving his people but succeeds in driving the Dominion off of his home planet, Worf goes back to Qo'noS and takes his place as Federation Ambassador alongside Chancellor Martok, Miles ventures back home to Earth with his family, Odo goes back home to the Great Link, finally, back where he belongs... and Sisko, no, The Sisko completes his final trial and finds his place in the Celestial Temple with the rest of the Prophets. All that is left of the main cast on DS9 is Kira, Bashir, Ezri, Jake and Quark.

It's bittersweet, I may have never been as sad and as glad at the same time as I was. Sad, on the one hand, because I'll never see these characters again, but immensely glad, on the other hand, because they did it so well and tied up most of the loose ends. The goodbyes are incredibly tasteful and satisfying. I'm disappointed Jadzia was left out of the flashbacks, but that's understandable. It doesn't really matter, because all in all, they left it off in a perfect way. I swear, I don't ever get emotional with TV/films, never, but Miles hugging Bashir before leaving had me on the verge of bawling. That relationship and the relationships of all the characters make you feel at home on DS9, so seeing their goodbyes was quite sad, but very comforting at the same time. The final scene with Jake staring wistfully into space at the wormhole was real touching. His relationship with his father was one unlike anything I'd ever seen in any show, and that ending really does bring it all together.

This may be the last time we're all together. But no matter what the future holds, no matter how far we travel, a part of us - a very important part - will always remain here, on Deep Space Nine.

No better way to put it, Captain. Thanks for all the good times, DS9, you did yourself proud :techman:

I so love and hate What You Leave Behind. It just ends so well. A great ending to a great series. I hate it because it is the end. And I never want it to end. Even on a rewatch. But it ends so strongly and with such power and emotion. For ST finale's I rank this slightly below the near perfection of All Good Things. But honestly that is simply because What You Leave Behind requires the other 8 episodes preceding it. It isn't the nice self contained final story that TNG's was. TOS and TNG were about exploring the Final Frontier. DS9 was about living in it. Taming it. Unlike the other Trek shows (save perhaps Enterprise) We got to watch DS9 grow and evolve. Have an arc. Not simply in terms of stories or characters. But the entirety of the show and its setting. We watched Deep Space 9 go from the farthest most remote backwater frontier posting in the Federation. The lone marshals out on the fringes. To being the center of contact commerce and conflict for some of the most powerful races. No longer the Alamo, it became Istanbul. The crossroads of civilizations. And with What We Leave Behind we get its final story. Quite simply "Life Goes On". I so wish we would get to spend more time with these characters. Sadly I do not think DS9 was ever a great candidate for a Movie. I'm not sure you could make Casablanca today. And a DS9 movie would need be far more Casablanca than Star Wars/ST2009.

I will warn you in advance. All Good Things and What You Leave Behind are two of Star Trek's crowning moments. Extremely powerful that leave you choked with emotion and loss for there not being more. For saying goodbye to much loved old friends. The final two series finale's. Voyagers "Endgame" and Enterprises "These Are The Voyages" will leave you choked with a different type of emotion. Neither is in any way shape or form what you have just experienced. We will have a long interesting discussion after Endgame. There is a lot there to talk about. Some good, some bad, some confusing. We will have a much shorter discussion following Enterprises finale, which I typically advise friends to consider skipping as it tends to poison an otherwise enjoyable series in their minds.
 
I so love and hate What You Leave Behind. It just ends so well. A great ending to a great series. I hate it because it is the end. And I never want it to end. Even on a rewatch. But it ends so strongly and with such power and emotion. For ST finale's I rank this slightly below the near perfection of All Good Things. But honestly that is simply because What You Leave Behind requires the other 8 episodes preceding it. It isn't the nice self contained final story that TNG's was. TOS and TNG were about exploring the Final Frontier. DS9 was about living in it. Taming it. Unlike the other Trek shows (save perhaps Enterprise) We got to watch DS9 grow and evolve. Have an arc. Not simply in terms of stories or characters. But the entirety of the show and its setting. We watched Deep Space 9 go from the farthest most remote backwater frontier posting in the Federation. The lone marshals out on the fringes. To being the center of contact commerce and conflict for some of the most powerful races. No longer the Alamo, it became Istanbul. The crossroads of civilizations. And with What We Leave Behind we get its final story. Quite simply "Life Goes On". I so wish we would get to spend more time with these characters. Sadly I do not think DS9 was ever a great candidate for a Movie. I'm not sure you could make Casablanca today. And a DS9 movie would need be far more Casablanca than Star Wars/ST2009.

I will warn you in advance. All Good Things and What You Leave Behind are two of Star Trek's crowning moments. Extremely powerful that leave you choked with emotion and loss for there not being more. For saying goodbye to much loved old friends. The final two series finale's. Voyagers "Endgame" and Enterprises "These Are The Voyages" will leave you choked with a different type of emotion. Neither is in any way shape or form what you have just experienced. We will have a long interesting discussion after Endgame. There is a lot there to talk about. Some good, some bad, some confusing. We will have a much shorter discussion following Enterprises finale, which I typically advise friends to consider skipping as it tends to poison an otherwise enjoyable series in their minds.
I couldn't have put it better, for the most part. "What You Leave Behind" does cross into soap opera territory, as the serialised portions of DS9 are wont to do from time to time, but for the most part is a powerful, bittersweet way to end the series. I never cared much for the Pah Wraiths, so for me I could have cut out that whole storyline and spent more time on the rest of the story. I didn't like how Dukat ended up as this one-note moustache twirling villain, for me in the earlier seasons he was one of the most interesting characters, but I think in the end the writers didn't know what to do with him. I like that all the characters were given time to wrap up their stories and for us to find out where they were headed next.
(though I like to think Worf got bored Targ-hunting on Qo'nos and returned to Starfleet, hence his presence in Nemesis)

Yes, "Endgame" and "These Are The Voyages" are a whole different kettle of fish. At least "Endgame" feels like a finale and not a slap in the face to both the viewers and the actors involved in the series. You could seriously stop watching after "Terra Prime" and be none the worse for it.
 
And a powerful argument for marriage equality. ;)

How disgusting. That's just wrong. Never. Not today, not 400 years from now.

Irish and English accented people inter-marrying? Just think of the children! Their accents would be undecipherable! The poor mutts.
 
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