What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?

[Captain of the USS Averof]

In TMP, the exact same actors reprised their roles from TOS. The film painstakingly went out of its way to explain why things looked different.

Leonard Nimoy reprised his role in the Kelvin films. With that photograph so did the whole Prime crew. That's not a criteria of whether something is in the Prime Universe or not. Your initial claim was that because DSC is set 10 years before TOS it should look exactly like TOS or it's not Prime. That of course was rebunked.

In TMP, the exact same actors reprised their roles from TOS. The film painstakingly went out of its way to explain why things looked different. I don't see lengthy explanations for any differences in DIS, nor are there going to be cameos from anyone in TOS except perhaps the nuUniverse actors as the prime universe crew. But I could be wrong.

Really? You must have seen DSC footage then to know a) that there are many differences in DSC, b) that they are not explained at any length and c) that there won't be any Prime Universe actors cameos.

For the second time, do you believe everything you are told?

And that's the second time I'm gonna ignore your rhetorical question that is in fact a hidden insult.

You keep saying this. Please by all means quote some people here who have said that their egos are hurt, because I don't see any.

I don't want to make it personal. But it feels that way to me when I see thin arguments such as it's not Prime Universe if it doesn't look 100% like "The Cage". I could be wrong.

 

[Mudd]

Discovery is set in the Prime Universe. Period.

What you're saying here is, "I have a word that's really really important to me..."

Kurtzman knows that some people like that word a lot, too.

 

[Michael]

Trekyards let a tiny little something slip (after admitting they have info they can't yet divulge) about how the Discovery ship is much older than the constitution class which is out there and more advanced.

How should two YouTubers get hold of this kind of insider information?

 

[Dukhat]

Leonard Nimoy reprised his role in the Kelvin films. With that photograph so did the whole Prime crew. That's not a criteria of whether something is in the Prime Universe or not. Your initial claim was that because DSC is set 10 years before TOS it should look exactly like TOS or it's not Prime. That of course was rebunked.

Nothing was "rebunked" because we haven't seen DIS yet. My opinion that Fuller is just providing lip service to trufans is just that: my opinion. We'll eventually see how the show ends up looking and feeling.

Really? You must have seen DSC footage then to know a) that there are many differences in DSC, b) that they are not explained at any length and c) that there won't be any Prime Universe actors cameos.

See above.

And that's the second time I'm gonna ignore your rhetorical question that is in fact a hidden insult.

I'm secretly insulting you by asking you a simple question?

I don't want to make it personal. But it feels that way to me when I see thin arguments such as it's not Prime Universe if it doesn't look 100% like "The Cage". I could be wrong.

To my knowledge, nobody was arguing that. And that's not what I asked you. I asked you to provide quotes from people who said that they have sore egos because the show takes place in the prime universe and they thought it would take place in the Abramsverse, based on this quote of yours:

Looking back at some of the posts on this thread I couldn't be more correct. Some still won't let it go and admit that they were wrong! Hurt pride or confirmation bias?

 

[Kevin Wolff]

How should two YouTubers get hold of this kind of insider information?

I have no idea and they didn't give out any real info. The one guy shut the other down when he was describing the Discovery as sort of like Serenity, an older no longer state of the art ship and then said the "connies" were out there and were more advanced. And that was when the other guy stopped him. Whether it is true or just more speculation I don't know.
These guys don't deal in rumors as far as I've seen in the last year, their thing is mostly talking about trek ships and props.
Fun channel if you geek on ships

 

[Kevin Wolff]

This quote from Fuller is what makes me believe they plan very little interaction with TOS continuity, at least in the first arc:
"Really when we developed the story it could take place in either Prime or Kelvin so the timeline was relatively inconsequential. But there was the cleanliness of keeping our series independent of the films"

 

[Dukhat]

This quote from Fuller is what makes me believe they plan very little interaction with TOS continuity, at least in the first arc:
"Really when we developed the story it could take place in either Prime or Kelvin so the timeline was relatively inconsequential. But there was the cleanliness of keeping our series independent of the films"

Yep. There was apparently no burning urge to set the new show in the prime timeline. They just wanted to steer clear of the movies. By that logic, they could just as easily have made a reboot. Which still might happen depending on how the creators, producers & writers want to take the show down the road.

 

[BillJ]

What you're saying here is, "I have a word that's really really important to me..."

The difference is, that none of us threw a temper tantrum and refused to watch Discovery when Fuller announced it would take place in the Prime timeline. Unlike the one long eight year temper tantrum some have thrown over the Abrams films. Most of us will watch it and enjoy it based on the quality of the product, not some perceived slight because they make storytelling decisions we disagree with.

However, it is Fuller's own words that have led to doubt whether or not this is actually going to be in the Prime timeline. From it looking different to his statement about it being able to take place in either timeline have opened a crack in the door of just how committed the production team is to this being the same universe as the various other shows take place in.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Yep. There was apparently no burning urge to set the new show in the prime timeline. They just wanted to steer clear of the movies. By that logic, they could just as easily have made a reboot. Which still might happen depending on how the creators, producers & writers want to take the show down the road.

Exactly. How much can they mine from that 10-year period anyway? Most of the fan fave stuff exists in the 5-year mission timeframe, or the 24th century, and to get to most of that you need at least a partial reboot.

 

[mos6507]

By that logic, they could just as easily have made a reboot. Which still might happen depending on how the creators, producers & writers want to take the show down the road.

I doubt it. Fuller already said in no uncertain terms that the show is in the Prime continuity. It would be really bad PR to flip-flop at some arbitrary point.

 

[BillJ]

I doubt it. Fuller already said in no uncertain terms that the show is in the Prime continuity. It would be really bad PR to flip-flop at some arbitrary point.

They don't have to say anything, all they have to do is ignore the continuity that is in place. At some point, fans will figure it out. Fuller's getting paid either way.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

"We're set in the Prime Universe approximately ten years before James T. Kirk takes command of the Enterprise. The show will launch from an event that has talked about in the "Original Series", but never fully explored".

"We have the opportunity to bridge the gap between the "Enterprise" and the "Original Series" and really help us redefine the visual style of Star Trek".

"Really, when we developed this story, it could take place in either Prime or the Kelvin [timeline] – the timeline was relatively inconsequential, but there was the cleanliness of keeping our series independent of the [Abrams] films. That way, we don’t have to track anything they’re doing; they don’t have to track anything we’re doing – and you can have two distinct universes".

"I think [the Prime decision] was just part of the conversation. I remember Alex and I talking about it very early on, where it should be, and we felt there was something nice about the Prime universe because there are so many aspects of the "Original Series" that would be fun to explore with updated production values."

"We’re much closer to Kirk’s universe [than that of Archer’s], so we get to play with all of that [TOS-era] iconography of those ships and those uniforms".

– "Star Trek: Discovery" creator and showrunner Brian Fuller

So there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Straight from the horse's mouth! The Prime Universe is here to stay and everything else is just…

 

[Mudd]

Yep, he said the words "Prime Universe." Lots of folks like those words.

One of my nation's politicians had a visit with the head of state of a neighboring nation last week. Folks told him it would reassure people, so that's what he did. And then he went right on doing what he wanted to do, which included insulting and threatening that country's nationals. See how it works?

BillJ is right - nothing said about this show, nor the little bits shown us so far, appear to be in continuity with any version of Star Trek we've seen before. These are deliberate choices. But the producers have learned that as long as they say "Prime Universe" they can do whatever they think best whether it fits previous continuity or not.

Most of the fan fave stuff exists in the 5-year mission timeframe, or the 24th century, and to get to most of that you need at least a partial reboot.

Yep.

 

[BillJ]

"I think [the Prime decision] was just part of the conversation. I remember Alex and I talking about it very early on, where it should be, and we felt there was something nice about the Prime universe because there are so many aspects of the "Original Series" that would be fun to explore with updated production values."

I think this is an interesting quote from Fuller. Leads one to question, is this a prequel/sequel to the entire franchise or just the original Star Trek?

I always wondered what a new prequel/sequel to TOS would look like. Without all the extraneous baggage of the spinoffs. Though I'm sure Fuller will mine every bit of the lore for story ideas.

 

[Trekkin]

think [the Prime decision] was just part of the conversation. I remember Alex and I talking about it very early on, where it should be, and we felt there was something nice about the Prime universe because there are so many aspects of the "Original Series" that would be fun to explore with updated production values."

So basically what JJ did with the Kelvin. It was meant to be pre-TOS era technology, depicted with modern production values. Something all fans accepted with absolutely no contention at all, no-siree.

It's not like from the moment the movie came out, we had claims that there couldn't have been a Kelvin in the Prime verse. The Nu-verse had to have always been a seperate timeline from the Prime one (as opposed to a branching universe that split off), because the Kelvin didn't look like it 'fit' with TOS.

And it's also not like the same thing happened when we had the reveal of the Klingon redesign in STID. And Khan. And the U.S.S Franklin. Hell - let's go traditional, and throw in the NX-01 ('It's not a prequel, it's from an alternate universe caused by FC!').

I foresee a very...'interesting' few years coming up for our little fandom. Hopefully, it's not longer lasting (and more entertaining) than the actual show.

 

[TRON JA307020]

.....and that we should just let it go, what was your reaction when you heard that this show is taking place in the prime universe? Were you glad that the prime universe is coming back?

I always said it would come back. I am very much excited that the Prime universe is coming back. I just hope that Fuller will honor the original series and movies and make sure they are inked together. He has said he could have gone either way with the TOS universe or the NuTrek universe. I just hope we don't see the tech that is closer to NuTrek than to TOS Trek. If he gets the uniforms right(Lets see those Cage uniforms and environmental jackets) and tones down the tech a bit I think he'll have a winner. Here is a April Fools day thread I made about the Prime universe coming back. I had no idea it would come true but I am darn glad it did. Not all were thrilled buy the hope that it would.

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/new-star-trek-series-to-be-set-in-prime-universe.279949/

 

[BigJake]

The Prime Universe thing is nowhere near as consequential as some people are making it out to be. Everything prior to 2233 is "prime" by default and simply represents territory they can play in without worrying about the movies; that has nothing to do with whether they're still going to employ an updated aesthetics and style and do different interpretations of Trek canon and aliens and all sorts of other things. I think we can expect those kinds of departures, which are more meaningful by far than which "timeline" it's in, to be very much present in the new show. So all the crowing about (and demanding that other people eat crow about) the "Prime Universe" is really very much about a side-issue, and expecting people to be impressed that someone just knew any new show was going to be "prime" will result in disappointment.

(Besides this, I think we're all pretty well aware that a great many fans who were agitated about the "Prime Universe" really wanted the setting of TNG/DS9/VOY continued. And a return to the "Prime Universe" in that sense seems to very much not be on the cards.)

 

[TRON JA307020]

The Prime Universe thing is nowhere near as consequential as some people are making it out to be. Everything prior to 2233 is "prime" by default and simply represents territory they can play in without worrying about the movies; that has nothing to do with whether they're still going to employ an updated aesthetics and style and do different interpretations of Trek canon and aliens and all sorts of other things. I think we can expect those kinds of departures, which are more meaningful by far than which "timeline" it's in, to be very much present in the new show. So all the crowing about (and demanding that other people eat crow about) the "Prime Universe" is really very much about a side-issue, and expecting people to be impressed that someone just knew any new show was going to be "prime" will result in disappointment.

(Besides this, I think we're all pretty well aware that a great many fans who were agitated about the "Prime Universe" really wanted the setting of TNG/DS9/VOY continued. And a return to the "Prime Universe" in that sense seems to very much not be on the cards.)

It may be a disappointment. There is actually a good chance of that if the show runner wants to change too much and put his own spin on it. At the same time I want to see what Fuller comes up with. Since this is unlikely to be the last Star Trek show we may get a chance to see what happened after the TNG/DS9 and VOY eras. I would be on board for that.

 

[Amaris]

.....and that we should just let it go, what was your reaction when you heard that this show is taking place in the prime universe? Were you glad that the prime universe is coming back?

I was one who said the prime universe was likely not coming back, because it had ground to a halt due to low viewership, and the debacle that was Nemesis. That they're trying again would have had me shaking my head, except the people they brought on board to spearhead this series are top notch talents, and I figure that if anyone can make the prime universe interesting and fun again, it's these people. So I'm hopeful. Plus, they're playing in the realm of TOS, and as a huge fan of the new films and a longtime ardent, hardcore fan of the original series, I honestly can't wait to see what they do.

 

[JWPlatt]

I just hope that Fuller will honor the original series and movies and make sure they are inked together...

How does he honor the movies when they won't have happened for at least another 20 years?

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