What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?

[Cake]

Each and every Star Trek series looks a lot lot different.

Deep Space Nine theoretically takes place at the same time as The Next Generation and the TNG movies, yet looks and feels nothing like it. I don't care if Discovery looks like TOS, if they get the level of technology right. And that's very broad. They can pretty much do whatever they want, only grossly incompetent stuff like them doing hyper-jumps or beaming between different star systems would breake the illusion... but nobody would make something that stupid, right...?
Enterprise already looked a lot more advanced than TOS, but (IMO) firmly established itself as a proper prequel, especially during it's last seasons. And Fuller probably as a much tighter vision, and as people who have watched "Hannibal" told me he's quite capable of doing a "direct prequel to something popular", so I trust him in this regard. The setting will not be the problem of Discovery, everything depends on the quality of the stories and how All Access will do.

I haven't watched Hannibal, but its ratings at least didn't look good. It was cancelled after three seasons, overall only 39 episodes, after the ratings fell to below 1 million viewers. I surely hope DIS will be more successful than this!

When I also look at other shows, he created or developed, they didn't even last as long as Hannibal. After a few measly episodes they were cancelled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Fuller

Dead Like Me - 29 episodes (Fuller left though after 14 episodes already)
Wonderfalls - 13 episodes
Pushing Daisies - 22 episodes

So far he hasn't show yet, that he can make a series last.

 

[Dukhat]

I haven't watched Hannibal, but its ratings at least didn't look good. It was cancelled after three seasons, overall only 39 episodes, after the ratings felt to below 1 million viewers. I surely hope DIS will be more successful than this!

Heck, even if it gets cancelled after the first season, we got 13 new Star Trek episodes that we wouldn't have gotten before. So it's win-win for us.

And remember, this is Star Trek. Even at it's worst, it still has more staying power than some new show that nobody knows anything about.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Looking back at some of the posts on this thread I couldn't be more correct. Some still won't let it go and admit that they were wrong! Hurt pride or confirmation bias?

Who gives a crap?

Hurt pride it is then.

 

[Dukhat]

Hurt pride it is then.

A. I edited my post before you quoted me.

B. Please don't presume to think for me. You're very bad at it.

 

[Cake]

Heck, even if it gets cancelled after the first season, we got 13 new Star Trek episodes that we wouldn't have gotten before. So it's win-win for us.

And remember, this is Star Trek. Even at it's worst, it still has more staying power than some new show that nobody knows anything about.

If the show gets cancelled after 13 episodes, it is definitely not a win-win for us. It likely would prevent for who knows how many years another attempt at a new Star Trek series. And it likely would also lower the chances of other space operas getting created for TV or streaming. Then people who make such decisions will argue, if even a new Star Trek series can't attract enough viewers, there is no chance that another series with a lot of space ships could be successful.

 

[Kemaiku]

Still 1,000,000 worse than ANYTHING.

Fixed that for you, and my goodness yes, Voyager was bad.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

A. I edited my post before you quoted me.

I've posted my answer before your edit. Since you've edited your post no harm no foul.

B. Please don't presume to think for me. You're very bad at it.

I don't presume to think for you. My initial post wasn't even about you!

 

[jaime]

DIS takes place ten years before TOS. Those other shows took place either 100 years before or 100 years after TOS. So if you're going to make a show that adheres strictly to the canon of TOS, then I would expect it to look exactly or pretty similar to TOS. And I don't believe it will. But we'll see.

Actually there's wiggle room. One that even explains the deflector. Despite being 10 years pre Kirk, the enterprise herself was what... 20 years old? When Kirk took command. So it has to look like TOS about as much as Voyager looked like TNG, give or take. I would expect it to look like the motion picture era, with the uniforms and basic Tech being wholly original but resembling TOS tech. And resembling is a wide gamut.

 

[Dukhat]

I don't presume to think for you. My initial post wasn't even about you!

Go back and read post #43.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

DIS takes place ten years before TOS. Those other shows took place either 100 years before or 100 years after TOS. So if you're going to make a show that adheres strictly to the canon of TOS, then I would expect it to look exactly or pretty similar to TOS. And I don't believe it will. But we'll see.

"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" takes place five years after the "The Original Series: Season 3". Not 10 years, not 100 years but FIVE YEARS! Yet it doesn't look anything at all like TOS! Does that mean that TMP doesn't adhere strictly to the canon of TOS, because it doesn't look exactly or pretty similar to TOS? Are we to assume that it takes place in yet another Universe but the Prime?

 

[jaime]

"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" takes place five years after the "The Original Series: Season 3". Not 10 years, not 100 years but FIVE YEARS! Yet it doesn't look anything at all like TOS! Does that mean that TMP doesn't adhere strictly to the canon of TOS, because it doesn't look exactly or pretty similar to TOS? Are we to assume that it takes place in yet another Universe but the Prime?

Uh oh. Once people start attacking that sentence, my lengthy essays talking about TMP will begin. Then we are doomed. TMP is Art damnit. If Discovery has half as much effort into it it will be amazing.

 

[JWPlatt]

Framing things as historical interpretations and dramatizations of events is always a good rationalization of real-world differences, continuity issues, and mistakes in efforts of fiction.

 

[BillJ]

Prime timeline in name only. They are already changing the look, I have no doubt other things that contradict what came before will be plentiful.

But people can dance, because Fuller stroked their ego. Let's see how much they think it is "Prime" when all is said and done.

 

[Finn]

Yes. I guarantee there will be stuff that would contradict earlier shows.

We will be seeing threads/posts like the following... "Oh, come on, the Klingons shouldn't be like that in the 2350s. Look at the foreheads! No way Kirk knew about the Betazoids...DUH!".

 

[Marsden]

Framing things as historical interpretations and dramatizations of events is always a good rationalization of real-world differences, continuity issues, and mistakes in efforts of fiction.

What do you mean? They are all historical documents. They are!

 

[JWPlatt]

Prime timeline in name only. They are already changing the look, I have no doubt other things that contradict what came before will be plentiful.

But people can dance, because Fuller stroked their ego. Let's see how much they think it is "Prime" when all is said and done.

Well at least you're doing the Gaddafi Dance to take a big step back to draw a new line in the sand. Redraw it as many times as you like.

 

[Mudd]

I'm always up for a reboot.

As Kurtzman, the guy in charge has said, first they had to redefine Trek for the movies and now they'll do it for TV. :tech man:

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Discovery is set in the Prime Universe. Period. Whether it will look like 60's TOS or be as/more/less faithful to TOS (as ENT was/wasn't) is another issue altogether.

As for egos, the only ones I see are the hurt ones who wished for "other than in the comics and novels, yeah, [Prime Universe] it's pretty much dead and will probably stay that way".

 

[Dukhat]

"Star Trek: The Motion Picture" takes place five years after the "The Original Series: Season 3". Not 10 years, not 100 years but FIVE YEARS! Yet it doesn't look anything at all like TOS! Does that mean that TMP doesn't adhere strictly to the canon of TOS, because it doesn't look exactly or pretty similar to TOS? Are we to assume that it takes place in yet another Universe but the Prime?

In TMP, the exact same actors reprised their roles from TOS. The film painstakingly went out of its way to explain why things looked different. I don't see lengthy explanations for any differences in DIS, nor are there going to be cameos from anyone in TOS except perhaps the nuUniverse actors as the prime universe crew. But I could be wrong.

Discovery is set in the Prime Universe. Period. Whether it will look like 60's TOS or be as/more/less faithful to TOS (as ENT was/wasn't) is another issue altogether.

For the second time, do you believe everything you are told?

As for egos, the only ones I see are the hurt ones who wished for "other than in the comics and novels, yeah, [Prime Universe] it's pretty much dead and will probably stay that way".

You keep saying this. Please by all means quote some people here who have said that their egos are hurt, because I don't see any.

 

[Spot261]

Strange how the stuff only hardcore trekkies bother with isn't canon, yet the dumbed down mainstream populist bits are.

I actually don't care whether its in the prime universe per se, just so long as it isn't in the Kelvin verse...