Spoilers Star Trek:Discovery Uniforms Sneak Peak
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I completely forgot about the turkeys. I've been suffering since 1992 (joking...kind of). That makes sense. Now I have to go watch Charlie X. As for the phasers, at least put them in the hall closet. Right by the cooking station implies they were used in cooking.
I see it now, thanks. I saw bb code editor and didn't make the connection. Sorry.
You know that that started with the movies.
In TOS, the chest emblem was ship specific.
Only the Crew of Enterprise wore the Chevrons, and other ships, their crew had different emblems to signify which Star Ship that they were from.
(The writing is a little small. Sorry)
Enterprise in 2001ish "chose" to ignore this facet of uniform design, I'm guessing Discovery will as well.
TO: Bill Theiss
FROM: Bob Justman
SUBJECT: STARSHIP EMBLEMS
DATE: December 18, 1967
Whilst sitting in Dailies today, it was noticed that a Starship Captain (from another Starship) was wearing an emblem unfamiliar to yours truly. I have checked the occurences out with Mr. Roddenberry, who has reassured me that all Starship personnel wear the Starship emblem that we have established for our Enterprise Crew Members to wear.
Doubtless this situation has arisen due to the fact that a different Starship emblem was used last season on “CHARLIE X”. However, the personnel of that other ship in that show were the equivalent of merchant marine or freighter personnel — and therefore not entitled to bear this proud insignia on their individual and collective breasts.
Please do not do anything to correct this understandable mistake in the present episode. However, should we have Starfleet personnel in any other episodes, please make certain that they were the proper emblem.
Under penalty of death!
Signed this 18th day of December, in the year of our Lord, 1967, by
ROBERT H. JUSTMAN
Chief Inquisitor
CC: Gene Roddenberry
John M. Lucas
D.C. Fontana
Gregg Peters
RHJ:sts
P.S. A carven “I’m sorry!” will be sufficient.
R.H.J.
The USS Exeter is the situation being addressed in this memo (based on the date), and so the Insignia worn by both Ron Tracey and his CMO are the error being discussed in this note. As for Matt Decker, that one must have slipped under the radar, or more than likely, had been mentioned to Bill casually after the episode had been shot, but as it happened again, this memo and its long list of "CYA" names listed is the "HEY Bill, we talked about this before, knock it off!" letter, which he did.
Oh, and none of the patches shown above are cannon (even the Starfleet Arrowhead is a tiny bit off), and of the attempted cannon patches (Starfleet Arrowhead, USS Exeter, Commodore Decker, SS Antares); not one is accurate to what was actually worn on screen.
John
Oh, and none of the patches shown above are cannon (even the Starfleet Arrowhead is a tiny bit off), and of the attempted cannon patches (Starfleet Arrowhead, USS Exeter, Commodore Decker, SS Antares); not one is accurate to what was actually worn on screen.
John
However, the emblem used on the uniforms of the crew of the U.S.S. Defiant in the Enterprise episode "A Mirror Darkly" is canon. It was based on the chevron used in the hull pennant of the TOS Enterprise. The art department came up with it based on the long-time assumption that different starships had their own insignia.
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Excalibur upside down is the mirror mirror empire
You're correct, it is cannon, in the mirror universe. Not in the prime timeline prime universe though
However the Defiant was a Prime timeline ship sent into the Mirror universe.
You're right, completely messed that up. Probably haven't seen that episode since highschool. Well now I feel old
No worries, I'm amazed I even remember that.
The Defiant insignia from the ENT episode "In a Mirror Darkly" was not based on the boomerang adorning the original 1701 pennant. It was specifically based on Franz Joseph's interpretation of that boomerang, which was very different, entirely linear and without the characteristic Googie curves present in Jefferies' version.
http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Trek/Series/TOS/oldsymbol.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Trek/Series/TOS/oldsymbol2-waytoeden.jpg
Here is a possible source for Jefferies' version, a North Hollywood restaurant sign:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b5/27/da/b527da6bef6ca6dd97d6e3f559bf18cf.jpg
Note here on Franz Joseph's plans the different interpretation of the boomerang:
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/star-trek-blueprints-sheet-1.jpg
According to Mike Okuda:
"I did indeed base the Defiant insignia on the Matt Jefferies' Starfleet "boomerang" symbol. I liked Franz Joseph's angular version of Jefferies' design, so I also incorporated that design element, too. The final version of the Defiant insignia also reflected notes from my good friends, costume designer Bob Blackman and key costumer Tom Siegel."
http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Trek/Series/TOS/oldsymbol.jpg
http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Trek/Series/TOS/oldsymbol2-waytoeden.jpg
Here is a possible source for Jefferies' version, a North Hollywood restaurant sign:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b5/27/da/b527da6bef6ca6dd97d6e3f559bf18cf.jpg
Note here on Franz Joseph's plans the different interpretation of the boomerang:
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/star-trek-blueprints-sheet-1.jpg
According to Mike Okuda:
"I did indeed base the Defiant insignia on the Matt Jefferies' Starfleet "boomerang" symbol. I liked Franz Joseph's angular version of Jefferies' design, so I also incorporated that design element, too. The final version of the Defiant insignia also reflected notes from my good friends, costume designer Bob Blackman and key costumer Tom Siegel."
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They were specially given a galley to cook that muck for the diplomatic dinners. The phasers were to stun the gagh. And as a defence against the angry chef they had hired to cater the event.
I have never thought the general idea of the Cage or TOS series uniforms looked overly dated. The problems I see with them which would make a modern regular audience laugh is they can look a little roughly cut and cheap at times and as I have grown older the pants/boots have started to look a little odd. Some tweaks here and there along with a better quality material would do the trick.
In a Mirror Darkly shows that the costumes, sets and props can look good (and even then this is now over 10 years old) in modern times. The tunics and dresses worn by the crew in Beyond shows how the classic can be different but instantly recognisable and I would argue in some respects they showed a marked improvement especially with the ladies having both a dress and trouser variant not to mention the dress now being a practical length.
I understand that women liked it when Kirks shirts ripped?
Are they still planning on making the sexy male captain's tunic out of material that is is going to rend the fainter sexes sexuality?
Are they still planning on making the sexy male captain's tunic out of material that is is going to rend the fainter sexes sexuality?
And that was the great thing about Star Trek. It didn't need rebooted. It was strong enough to stand up even after all this time. I still assert that the reboots were completely unnecessary and speak to the creative weakness of those who made them.
Theres only been one Trek reboot... And as to other franchises, its very Very rare that a creator reboots their own work. The 'creators' on those are not actually the creators...they come after the fact, unless we are to think of rodenberry as 'the originator' of Trek. It all gets pretty wierd pretty fast.
I am glad its prime, and dont mind a little fudging on the visuals.
More than a decade ago, a group of philosopher-cyrypto-historians who do not live in the regular DC Comic Universe, encountered a multiversal blender where the appearance and personality of a person calling himself "Batman" was in complete flux, as they all worked together to routinely delay the end of the world again.
Examples.
This crossover happened so long ago, that even the most modern Batman on site, still had trunks.
It's been a million years since I read it and so now I'm not sure if it was TMP novelization or if it was a book meant to be a prequel to TMP, but in it, I read that after Kirk's initial five year mission, the crew and ship had so distinguished themselves in the line of duty that all Starfleet insignia were changed to match that of the Enterprise crew as a way of honoring them. Obviously not "on-screen" canon, but it's a good explanation. I wish I could remember the exact source, but I know that's I read. I will do some digging and see what I can find.
On edit: It was TMP novelization, which was written by Roddenberry himself, which is probably why it has stuck in my mind all these years. Can't get much more canon than something written by the creator of the series, at least in literature, if not on screen.
On edit: It was TMP novelization, which was written by Roddenberry himself, which is probably why it has stuck in my mind all these years. Can't get much more canon than something written by the creator of the series, at least in literature, if not on screen.
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The problem with that is that the insignia is worn by non-Enterprise personnel during Kirk's five year mission. Besides if anyone was to have distinguished the Enterprise it would have been Pike during his ten year mission. Not to mention Garth was the preeminent starship captain in the late 2240's. Wouldn't it be interesting if the arrowhead was actually adopted to honor Garth's ship/command.
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