Spoilers Star Trek:Discovery Uniforms Sneak Peak

[fireproof78]

Although my heart aches that we won't see the likes of these again …

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…I must agree with you in principle.

That second one should be burned with fire. What a terrible outfit.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

but some sort of casual shorts-based uniform would be a good substitute.

Not for the 1976 White Sox, they weren't.

 

[OpenMaw]

I'd rather they ditch the catsuits and the mini-skirts all together. Avoid the double standards.

Why is it necessarily a double standard? Hell, let's make it so that each character's "default" uniform can be the actor's choice. What they think their character would choose. Same for extras.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because actors are meat that should do what they are told as long as they are being paid fairly, and have the legal rights of a first world human being in the 21st century.

The standard should be don't let assholes become producers.

 

[T'Bonz]

My grandmother always talked about the first day she could wear pants to work. It was a big moment for her.

When I was 21 or so, my boss was a lady in her high 40s. She had been on the cutting edge of liberation and wore a pantsuit to work one day, she told me. The horror! She was bitched at and offered to take off the pants (the top was long enough to be a "mini") to make them happy.

They declined her reasonable offer.

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RJ:

Nevertheless, the miniskirt was a symbol of Women's Lib

Yeah, says a handful of actresses, whose sexuality was their stock-in-trade. Of course they wanted to show more. No problem with that, but they did NOT speak for mainstream America. People like my boss did, a woman in a man's working world (at the time), trying to cast off the mandatory "you must wear a dress" mandate that was commonplace in the 1960s and early 1970s.

I'm telling you about women who were looking for real liberation, not to show off their legs and asses for men who might hire them/fuck them (sorry for the bluntness, but Nichols and Whitney? Really?) , but to have the right to wear comfortable, practical clothes like men could.

Although in all fairness, men were stuck wearing ties. That is as bad as pantyhose in my book.

 

[fireproof78]

I wore a tie today.

I think that the Starfleet uniforms should be practical, with some options for professional selection. If a skirt can be worn in a situation that makes sense, such as Bridge work, or Sickbay, then that's fine. Beyond that, uniforms should allow freedom of movement to do their job, not be fashion statements.

 

[RJDiogenes]

They tried that (with men's mini skirts) in the first season of TNG. It didn't look good back then, I doubt they can make it look good now.

I thought that was a great idea and was disappointed when they abandoned it. In fact, I used the idea in my own little Space Opera that I created.

RJ:



Yeah, says a handful of actresses, whose sexuality was their stock-in-trade. Of course they wanted to show more. No problem with that, but they did NOT speak for mainstream America. People like my boss did, a woman in a man's working world (at the time), trying to cast off the mandatory "you must wear a dress" mandate that was commonplace in the 1960s and early 1970s.

If that were true, it wouldn't have been so popular. A quick look at the Wiki page doesn't show a lot of detail about that aspect of it, except for documentation of the hostile reaction from conservative elements who opposed women getting too powerful (especially in Africa, apparently), but it does say "in the 1960s the mini had been regarded as a symbol of liberation, and it was worn by some, such as Germaine Greer and, in the following decade, Gloria Steinem."

I'm telling you about women who were looking for real liberation, not to show off their legs and asses for men who might hire them/fuck them (sorry for the bluntness, but Nichols and Whitney? Really?) , but to have the right to wear comfortable, practical clothes like men could.

Both of these things are true. As I mentioned, most Feminist movements throughout history have been about social, financial, and sexual liberation (not that there haven't been conservative Feminist groups before-- there was a Women's Rights movement associated with Prohibition, for example).

Although in all fairness, men were stuck wearing ties. That is as bad as pantyhose in my book.

Worse. They cut off the circulation to your brain.

 

[mdtauk]

The 1960's feminist revolution was more about attitudes to what women can do at work, and controlling their bodies and reproductive choices. With the new found sexual freedom, fashion turned to showing off the sexual freedoms that were around.

In the 2010's its about freedom to not be seen as sexual objects, and valued on their skills and actions, rather than their looks.

We also have degrees of sexuality, gender fluidity, and trans gender attitudes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Apes are still going to takeover after WWIII.

 

[Tim Walker]

As general purpose uniforms, I thought the Pike era/Cage uniforms were a good compromise between aesthetics and practicality. I can imagine people wearing them when on duty aboard a starship.

One change I would make, though...include the com badges from TNG.

 

[JD]

I wouldn't mind something a bit more practical for the uniforms, maybe something along the lines of the Enterprise jumpsuits, but with more of the TOS colors thrown in. The uniforms from the other shows looked nice, but the Ent ones were the only ones that really felt like military uniforms to me. I also like the idea of different uniforms for different situations, we did get that during the TOS movies and a tiny bit in the 24th century shows.

 

[Commander Keiran MacDuff]

After much consideration I think the Cage era uniforms would be awesome. Obviously you could add a ton of variation to them, but it's a good jumping off point in terms of design. I'm realizing I prefer them to pretty much anything else that comes before mid-late STNG...

Q

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

As general purpose uniforms, I thought the Pike era/Cage uniforms were a good compromise between aesthetics and practicality. I can imagine people wearing them when on duty aboard a starship.

After much consideration I think the Cage era uniforms would be awesome. Obviously you could add a ton of variation to them, but it's a good jumping off point in terms of design. I'm realizing I prefer them to pretty much anything else that comes before mid-late STNG...

Truth. "The Cage" uniforms are fine.

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All they have to do is update them with better fabrics.

 

[Commander Keiran MacDuff]

I'd also like to point out that we're talking about people's work uniforms. They should be sharp and practical, not demeaning.

People might wear all kinds of other things when they are off duty, which is fine as long as it serves plot and character development.

 

[Jedman67]

Although in all fairness, men were stuck wearing ties. That is as bad as pantyhose in my book.

I wear a tie pretty regularly, although not all the time. It can be a nuisance sometimes but its not all that bad. The closest I've come to pantyhose are long-johns; it took me some time to adapt to North East winters. Let's just say that 5 years later those LJ's are still sitting in my drawer, having been worn only once.

I'd also like to point out that we're talking about people's work uniforms. They should be sharp and practical, not demeaning.

People might wear all kinds of other things when they are off duty, which is fine as long as it serves plot and character development.

We're talking about costumes for a tv show that need to look good on-screen, match a specific aesthetic in overall looks. It should look comfortable, like the early DS9 jumpsuits. Actual comfort to the actor is usually a secondary consideration, unfortunately.

 

[C.E. Evans]

We're talking about costumes for a tv show that need to look good on-screen, match a specific aesthetic in overall looks. It should look comfortable, like the early DS9 jumpsuits. Actual comfort to the actor is usually a secondary consideration, unfortunately.

Those early DS9/VOY jumpsuits were reportedly anything but comfortable for the actors to wear, especially for any real length of time.

 

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

Those early DS9/VOY jumpsuits were reportedly anything but comfortable for the actors to wear, especially for any real length of time.

Yeah, they wanted "clean lines" for the camera. And to avoid too much Picard-maneuvering with a two-piece.

 

[sojourner]

The only way to go is color coded speedos and thigh boots. For everyone. Lets get all Zardoz on this.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The only way to go is color coded speedos and thigh boots. For everyone. Lets get all Zardoz on this.

Zardoz for the men and Vartox for the women.

 

[Tim Walker]

I noticed what appear to be stripes on the sleeves of the Cage uniforms. Seems like a good way to show rank.