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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

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As someone who wasn't a fan of 'Into Darkness' I was really cautious when it came to this one. With good word of mouth, from both the public and from my friends, I went and saw this today.

I really enjoyed it a lot. There's still more action than I would have liked, but I realize that that's just part of Star Trek now, and I'm ok with that. I really can't wait for the next one now and see what they come up with next.
 
I sort of wonder if Pegg/Jung intended Franklin to be more NX-01 sized, in which case those couple hundred rescued crewmembers would have easily fit.
I actually think you could easily fit several hundred people on the Franklin. People tend to overestimate how much space is actually needed to hold 100 people. I could fit 100 people in my house if I needed to.
 
I thought STID was a deeper story than the one in STB. More emotionally charged, too. That may have been why STID seemed incongruous to some and why STB's story felt refreshing in comparison. But let's face it, all that's really happening in STB is Kirk and crew have to get off the planet and then stop Krall. And frankly, it unfolded a little too cut and dried for me. No setbacks. No curveballs. Clockwork. There was no sense that they could be stranded for a long time or weren't going to make it. Every plot point worked like a charm to get them to the next step on the checklist. From the motorcycle to the convenience of Uhura's necklace. The transporter didn't even break down or act funny. The story seemed short on suspense.

I'm also becoming keen on thinking of Edison as someone who was sick, never evil. A lot like Nero. Someone who suffered a horrendous trauma (his probably gruesome combat over a lot of time) and was changed mentally for the worse by it.
 
I loved it. Not without its glaring plot holes, but the character interaction was spot on.

Yes, the character interaction was the best thing about the movie. I think I will enjoy the movie more on the second viewing.
 
The only character development that could have gone a little more in-depth was Jaylah, however, we'll probably see more of her in future movies.

I hope so. I was very disappointed not to see Carol Marcus again.
 
I thought STID was a deeper story than the one in STB. More emotionally charged, too.
Well, it could have been. It was certainly reaching for that. I think where opinion varies is in the execution. With different (better) execution I would give STID more points for its aspirations to "depth"; as it is a relatively simple but competently-told story carries more weight for me.
 
I thought STID was a deeper story than the one in STB. More emotionally charged, too. That may have been why STID seemed incongruous to some and why STB's story felt refreshing in comparison. But let's face it, all that's really happening in STB is Kirk and crew have to get off the planet and then stop Krall. And frankly, it unfolded a little too cut and dried for me. No setbacks. No curveballs. Clockwork. There was no sense that they could be stranded for a long time or weren't going to make it. Every plot point worked like a charm to get them to the next step on the checklist. From the motorcycle to the convenience of Uhura's necklace. The transporter didn't even break down or act funny. The story seemed short on suspense.

I'm also becoming keen on thinking of Edison as someone who was sick, never evil. A lot like Nero. Someone who suffered a horrendous trauma (his probably gruesome combat over a lot of time) and was changed mentally for the worse by it.

Pretty spot on depiction of how I feel about Beyond. I still enjoyed it very much, but I think the "deeper story" point best conveys why I still prefer Into Darkness (flaws included).

Well, it could have been. It was certainly reaching for that. I think where opinion varies is in the execution. With different (better) execution I would give STID more points for its aspirations to "depth"; as it is a relatively simple but competently-told story carries more weight for me.
My opinion of Into Darkness' execution is higher than yours and increases with each viewing. Of course, "mileage may vary". In the end, I found Beyond a "safer" approach to a Trek story (and thus expect it to be more generally pleasing to Trek fans).
 
Some risk-taking wouldn't have gone amiss with me, actually, but I'm not one to complain about a "safe" story if it's done well. It's true that I never found STID's story coherent, which for me renders its aspirations to "depth" into mere pretense, and I'm on the opposite trajectory from you as repeated viewings go. :D
 
Some risk-taking wouldn't have gone amiss with me, actually, but I'm not one to complain about a "safe" story if it's done well. It's true that I never found STID's story coherent, which for me renders its aspirations to "depth" into mere pretense, and I'm on the opposite trajectory from you as repeated viewings go. :D
Ah well. My best friend loves Riesling wine and detests single malt whisky. Despite his obvious errors in judgement, I still talk to him. Guess I can do the same with you. ;)
 
Too useful a study partner to sacrifice like that. PhD comps exams are coming in a few months. After that? Who knows...:shifty::lol:
 
Pretty spot on depiction of how I feel about Beyond. I still enjoyed it very much, but I think the "deeper story" point best conveys why I still prefer Into Darkness (flaws included).


My opinion of Into Darkness' execution is higher than yours and increases with each viewing. Of course, "mileage may vary". In the end, I found Beyond a "safer" approach to a Trek story (and thus expect it to be more generally pleasing to Trek fans).
TVH came about because Nimoy thought a lighter touch was needed following the trilogy. They set out to tell a story with peril and high stakes, but in a light-hearted almost absurd way that allowed the characters to shine and almost made TVH feel like a comedy. I think the idea was to make STB lighter compared to ST09 and STID, too. More humor, lighter tone, and all. But this time, the villain may have been a little too villainous and the plot a little to serious for the light touch. I can't put my finger on it, but things didn't quite come together in the movie for me.
 
I don't know that Beyond was going for "lighter," exactly. It was just a tighter take on fundamentally similar material, certainly as regards ST09.
 
Saw it for the third time this evening. Love it more and more. Really glad they turned this around in time for Star Trek's 50th. Near enough a full house. It went down well. One person leaving the cinema turning to the other said it was a lot of fun, and that they'd heard it was terrible going in.

Up there with The Undiscovered Country and First Contact for me, as a great cinema-going experience of Trek. Feels like I haven't really enjoyed one of these movies as much since those. Never got to the see any of the ones before VI on the big screen. So that might account for my massive appreciation of the Original crew signing off, over a more confirmed classic like TWOK.
 
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Finally got to see it tonight.
Wow. What an amazing film. Hit every note almost perfectly. Lots of big and small things done correctly.
I think this one might become my favorite of all time. I left the theater excited about the future of the film franchise, a feeling I haven't had since the end of the '09 film.
 
I hated... HATED the first two films.

So it's quite a pleasant surprise that I immensely enjoyed BEYOND. Saw it twice, in fact. Lin and Pegg steered the ship in the right direction. Kirk is now redeemed. No more erratic camerawork and lens flare. I was never against the idea of turning Trek into a Summer spectacle, so long as they did it right and I'm glad to see Lin didn't disappoint. Funny thing is that I didn't like the FAST AND FURIOUS films until Lin came along and gave something like FAST FIVE, which I stupidly enjoyed like an grinning idiot.

You have no idea how happy I am that we averted an Orci directed Trek film. I actually vowed never to see Trek 3 when he got the gig for the same reason I skipped out AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 in that I won't spend money on films he's creatively involved. So happy this ended up not being the case.
 
I saw this for the first time yesterday, and was disappointed.
Admittedly the environment of the cinema was partly to blame. The image was dim and a bit soft, and there were, y'know, people, making noises and emitting odours.
So that might explain why it took me a while to start enjoying the movie. In fact, I didn't really start getting into it until Enterprise was attacked. After that, it was like someone fiddling with a radio dial, switching between great, mediocre, and occasionally crap.

What did I like?
The swarm attacking the Enterprise was impressive, and Kirk's final fight with Krall had a fresh look we haven't seen before. Jaylah was a likeable and interesting character. The regulars were solid as always.
I liked all the stuff on the Franklin. That environment brought out the best of the character interactions and story. In fact, it made me realise that one reason I like ENT is the small ship size makes the character dynamics seem more intimate (whereas other ships are more like impersonal workplaces).
The shot of Doug Jung and the kid running for their lives at Yorktown had the desired effect. Jung actually seems like a pretty good actor.
I teared up at two places: when Jaylah thinks Kirk might be abandoning her, and when Kirk turns down his promotion.

What didn't I like?
It's not necessarily a question of disliking specific things. The overall problem of Beyond is that it feels too lightweight and inconsequential. In a word, Fluff. If we analyse, we can find various contributing causes.
The attack on the Enterprise was viscerally impressive, but I never really got a sense of the crew's fear. Apart from Uhura, the main characters never looked more than somewhat worried.
There is vagueness about the situation of the crew. How many of them died in the attack and how many survived? Kirk feels it's his duty to find them, but doesn't seem to have much emotional stake in it. He also doesn't seem to feel any responsibility for the loss of his ship and crew.
Spock, despite his injury, never seems to be in any real peril.
It's been said by some that Urban is basically doing an impersonation of Bones. In a similar way, there were some character moments, particularly on the Franklin, that felt like heavy-handed fan service - "Feel the Trek!" - which would have seemed pointlessly indulgent, if not actually annoying, to non-fans.
When the crew are rescued (we see a couple of dozen; it's unclear how many there are) we don't see them on the Franklin. The lack of explanation does seem odd. (As a side note, who was that dead redshirt we saw when they got back to Yorktown? I actually thought it might be Scotty, until he turned up in the next scene. Was this body the only unnamed crewman to stay aboard?)
The scenes of Krall and his prisoners at Krall's base was a bit of a mess, plot-wise, just meandering to-ing and fro-ing to get some exposition out. Krall sucking the life energy out of the prisoners didn't really fit. Was he trying to frighten Uhura? Was he suddenly really hungry? Or did he have a sudden attack of the Evils?
When they got back to the Yorktown, I didn't really follow what was going on. It was a lot of running and flying about that I didn't really care about.
At the end, I liked the symmetry of the Kirk/Spock scene with their earlier scene in the elevator, but as has been pointed out, Kirk's early talk with Bones never really had a payoff. In the same way, I think Spock's dilemma arc should have been spelled out and given more weight; as it is, it seems like something happening in the background that never comes into focus.
(There are lots of other points I could mention, but I just want to deal with the main ones.)
ACTORS:
I thought Idris Elba made a crap villain. He played it all on one super-evil note, and I could barely understand much of what he was saying. The character's motivation was slim to non-existent.
The Yorktown commander was a boring presence and had no personality.
The deceptive female alien looked too similar to the face-hugger alien.

Conclusion:
As I have said, the overall impression was of lightweight fluff. The previous films, even the worst of them, felt like they were about something, like something important was happening. I didn't get that feeling here.
I think ultimately this film will be classified with INS and the lighter parts of TSFS as a moderately successful "romp". I would not class it with TVH, as that film is an outright comedy, and more successfully so .

I gave it a B-, though on reflection I'd change that to a C+ (the poll won't let me change my vote).
By comparison, I think I'd give STID a B, and ST09 a B+ or an A-.

I mentioned the issues I had with the cinema where I watched this. I do expect to enjoy this movie much more when I watch it at home, and can ensure that the image is as bright and colourful as it needs to be.
 
I don't know that Beyond was going for "lighter," exactly. It was just a tighter take on fundamentally similar material, certainly as regards ST09.

It was certainly economical. Every beat was used as payoff for a later event and I can see Franklin's point of view that things went a little too smoothly. However, I just don't care. It was fun in a way that Trek '09 was and STID wasn't, though I still like STID quite a bit. From the very outset, when the film overtly referenced Galaxy Quest and acknowledged the inherent silliness of Trek, I was sold. I think the pairings of Spock-McCoy, Kirk-Chekov, Scotty-Jaylah and (to a much lesser extent) Sulu-Uhura were the big success of the movie, giving fans plenty of banter and character-driven dialog even if the story that those pairings hung of off was just as problematic as the rest of the JJ-verse films.

In the end, I find it hard to be mad at a film that uses a Beastie Boys song as a weapon. I'm not going to lie, I sang along during the entire sequence and totally bought into the nonsense.

I'm looking forward to seeing it again. :D
 
My sister saw it with her boyfriend and told me for the first time she didn't like the reboot films. She said they had a lot of flashing light action. :shrug:He wore a Star Trek shirt to it though..
 
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