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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

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Were his men all crew from the Franklin ?
No. Per Edison's video log, only three of them were left. That would be himself, Kalara, and presumably Manas. Also per the video log, the metal suits were drones left by the alien race that abandoned the planet long ago. The other aliens had been trapped on the planet like Jaylah and the Enterprise crew.

Kor
 
B-

I was hoping for more from a Pegg script, but it wasn't much of a story, pretty much more of the same.

I thought Elba's motivation was pretty shaky, as was much of the logic. Were his men all crew from the Franklin ? How come a crashed ship could lie semi-derilict for many years and fly without much in the way of repairing ? I'm sure (as usual) more issues will occur to me.

There were some nice character moments and Jayla was O.K., I'd like to see her again. Urban and Quinto were standouts again, Pine seems to have grown into the Kirk role somewhat, Saldana was OK, and of the three I really didn't like in their parts, Cho was fine, Yelchin was alright and Pegg was less annoying. A marginal improvement I'd say.

And...

...there was also the real satisfaction of seeing that awful Enterprise destroyed !

My guess would be since Jaylah moved into it, she pretty much repaired and maintained a lot of the systems (she had to get power for that cloaking device she created from somewhere). She seemed intrigued that Scotty was an engineer and insulted that he'd think she didn't know what that was. I'd say at Starfleet Academy, Jaylah will become a brilliant engineer.

I'm going to have to look for an explanation I may have missed when I see it again, but the question for me is why Edison's crew couldn't have gotten the ship back into space themselves in the time after the crash. They didn't seem all that stranded. They were in the middle of nowhere (since Yorktown obviously wasn't nearby then) and unlikely to be found, but that would be even more reason to get off the planet. As I said, maybe I missed something about that. There was a lot to take in.
 
You put a soldier on the front lines and spend years, even decades, teaching him to kill the enemy. More often than not in our world there are soldiers who were given a pat on the head and a release papers with no adjustment, or ability to adjust, from being a trainer killer to normal every day person.

Even Kirk had issues with prospective peace with the Klingons.
 
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Not planning on seeing it at all as I am boycotting CBS/Paramount. And before you ask - I have been a Trekker from day one and have watched over the decades as CBS/Paramount, IMHO, have sucked the life out of Gene's vision of Star Trek. If the trailer for the new series, if that was in fact what it was, shown at Comic Con is any indication Star Trek will die in 2017.
 
I'm going to have to look for an explanation I may have missed when I see it again, but the question for me is why Edison's crew couldn't have gotten the ship back into space themselves in the time after the crash. They didn't seem all that stranded. They were in the middle of nowhere (since Yorktown obviously wasn't nearby then) and unlikely to be found, but that would be even more reason to get off the planet.

Because the plot needed it to be so.

It's that sort of sloppiness that's so annoying about JJ's films. More so as this one was actually a Pegg movie.
 
Not planning on seeing it at all as I am boycotting CBS/Paramount. And before you ask - I have been a Trekker from day one and have watched over the decades as CBS/Paramount, IMHO, have sucked the life out of Gene's vision of Star Trek. If the trailer for the new series, if that was in fact what it was, shown at Comic Con is any indication Star Trek will die in 2017.

I'm sure Star Trek will muddle along fine without you. :techman:
 
I loved it. It had the least issues of the reboot movies, and really hearkened back to the TOS of my childhood.

It felt more TOS arguably than the TOS movies, as it showed them about the business of their five-year-mission and all that that would suggest.

And there were elements that reminded me of the old Gold Key Comics, especially those mushroomy things that were all over Krall's encampment.

It was a solid story, nothing fancy, and good adventure, with some TOS callbacks for fans, but not intrusively so. And I loved that Enterprise, a series I love but which many hate, got quite a few references.

Jaylah was great.

I like that there were some veiled references to things that nay-sayers whined about in '09 (Beastie Boys, built on the ground) that were kept almost as a "screw you."

While the first two had more emotional moments for me, this one felt more like an all-around fun ride, and one I will definitely go back to watch time and again.
 
I'm going to have to look for an explanation I may have missed when I see it again, but the question for me is why Edison's crew couldn't have gotten the ship back into space themselves in the time after the crash. They didn't seem all that stranded. They were in the middle of nowhere (since Yorktown obviously wasn't nearby then) and unlikely to be found, but that would be even more reason to get off the planet. As I said, maybe I missed something about that. There was a lot to take in.

Maybe they didn't believe they could bring it to terminal velocity to make orbit? Scott may have made some adjustments based on his expertise that the original Franklin engineering team simply didn't know about to make it possible to reach terminal velocity?
 
Just why did it need to reach terminal velocity ?

On second thoughts, don't. I did this after ST2009 - spent ages discussing ways that plot stupidity could be explained away. Consider it explained away...
 
Not planning on seeing it at all as I am boycotting CBS/Paramount. And before you ask - I have been a Trekker from day one and have watched over the decades as CBS/Paramount, IMHO, have sucked the life out of Gene's vision of Star Trek. If the trailer for the new series, if that was in fact what it was, shown at Comic Con is any indication Star Trek will die in 2017.

Gene's vision was dollar signs. The self-important philosophical stuff was just revisionism years later.

Kor
 
Then how could Edison be involved with the Xindi without being on Enterprise? That's the problem.

He yells at Kirk that he was a soldier. There's a moment where he becomes unstable then blurts out "Millions dead, by the Xindi and the Romulan Wars". The two lines don't quite follow each other.
 
Just why did it need to reach terminal velocity ?

On second thoughts, don't. I did this after ST2009 - spent ages discussing ways that plot stupidity could be explained away. Consider it explained away...

I've been explaining away plot stupidity in Star Trek for forty years now. It isn't this new thing that sprang to life in the Abrams films.
 
Plus, didn't Scotty explain this on screen to Kirk? Old starships were not build for atmosphere etc etc

Yup. But some folks are determined to tag any Abrams film with plot stupidity when they can't wrap their minds around what is going on.
 
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Just got back from cinema from second viewing. Much much better this time. I missed some references in the first watch, but this time it completely clicked for me. Such a wonderful Star Trek Film. I'll be going back for thirds...
 
Plus, didn't Scotty explain this on screen to Kirk? Old starships were not build for atmosphere etc etc
That's not an explanation.

If it's got enough thrust to accelerate up and out of the atmosphere, what does reaching maximum gravity fed velocity downwards have to do with it ?

No, let's not go there...
 
Just why did it need to reach terminal velocity ?

On second thoughts, don't. I did this after ST2009 - spent ages discussing ways that plot stupidity could be explained away. Consider it explained away...

Scotty gave some mildly technobabble excuse that terminal velocity was needed for the thrusters to kick-start, and that would then allow then to reach ESCAPE velocity (although this is not mentioned -- I hope Pegg wasn't confusing the two).

I saw it as akin to rolling a stalled car downhill to kick-start the engine.
 
I've only seen the film once. But I got the impression most of the Franklin's crew was dead. And mostly likely those that survived didn't have the engineering expertise to get her back into space. I'm pretty sure I saw only 2 other former crewmen from the Franklin besides Krall. I thought all the other members of his army were drones.
 
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