We (me, wife, son) didn't have any issues following the movie.
Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion
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We (me, wife, son) didn't have any issues following the movie.
His death scene was cut from STID
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In principle, I tend to agree. But this is also a part of TOS going back to the first season, heck, going back to the second pilot, where Kirk and Mitchell have a climactic fist fight. In the first season alone, "Court Martial" was resolved with a fist fight. So was "Space Seed". Plenty of other TOS episodes had fist fights, even if they weren't in the climax. Nature of the beast. Kirk is a punching bag in quite a few episodes. TSFS ended in a fist fight. Kirk's last heroic act was a fist fight with Soran. Spock got the honors in STID, but only because Kirk was "dead." Does it get tiring? Yes. It gets redundant. Is it a bit ridiculous? I'd say so. But ending STB this way is nothing new. As you allude to, it's part of the product.
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Problem is that you're thinking like a human being, and not like a bureaucrat
There's precedence within Trek for this; even Sisko received DS9 because it was a crappy hand-me-down, with Sisko's morale at a low and just inches away from resigning his commission because he felt burned out by Starfleet. Starfleet liked his service enough to warrant a post, and he was even recommended for ship command before giving DS9 a try. Its vital importance to Starfleet and the quadrant was only revealed after he boarded the station. And even in the TNG/DS9 era, older ships with less-than-optimal defenses were commonplace or pulled out of the mothballs (Best of Both Worlds, Dominion War, etc).Riker as well. Starfleet pulled out the captain's chair for him no less than 3 times before Best of Both Worlds. He was established as a command prodigy, he certainly helped save entire worlds a couple times (even Earth in Conspiracy). But IIRC, the ships that were being offered were much older and much more inferior to the Enterprise (one later getting destroyed against the Borg), plus he just liked Enterprise more. Whether in gratitude or not, Starfleet had the ships but needed good captains.
I'm also reminded of the first Mission: Impossible movie. For all his decades of service, Jim Phelps was going to get a $60k ($90k for inflation) pension and gold watch, which was enough to get him to betray the IMF. But in both Phelps' and Edison's cases, it was a loyal worker feeling slighted by the huge organization after the org giving them what they perceived to be an inappropriate thank you gift.
I have literally only 1 complaint about Star Trek Beyond:
There’s dialogue in the trailers that they already cut out/changed in the final edit of the movie. For example:
“I’ll see myself to the bar for a drink.”
Bones: You really wanna go back out there, huh?
Jim/Spock: Oh yeah/Yes
I dunno, I liked these lines. I was waiting for them in the movie.
There’s dialogue in the trailers that they already cut out/changed in the final edit of the movie. For example:
“I’ll see myself to the bar for a drink.”
Bones: You really wanna go back out there, huh?
Jim/Spock: Oh yeah/Yes
I dunno, I liked these lines. I was waiting for them in the movie.
I thought there were a couple of pretty hard cuts. For example, as I remember, McCoy barely got the word "delusional" out before the scene changed. Considering we were following four groups, though, plus all the other action, there were going to be a lot of cuts. But I would agree that it was very tightly edited.
Well, the, "You think your world is safe..." line from Khan never made it into STID, either. That happens in films when promotional stuff goes out well before the final edit. I was thrown for a loop when the ending didn't include the responses to McCoy's question, though. The scene in the promos with Jaylah in the captain's chair of the Franklin was not the actual scene in the movie at all, which is too bad because the actual scene was lacking its comic irreverence in comparison.
That's the tough part about editing, whether film or poetry or whatever. Sometimes the best and most fun lines have to go.
I've read many posts saying Krall was a weak villain. And for much of the film I agree. They should have at least revealed earlier to the audience but not the heroes his identity and what changed him. Once we know, he reminded me of Rambo. A war hardened soldier who could not find a purpose in peace time. And unappreciated by a people he fought to protect. I wish they had redeemed him in the end. That would have made the ending better. And different from all Star Trek film adversaries except VGer.
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The thing too is when you spoil yourself, like I tend to do, you anticipate. Anticipating is obviously dangerous.
Still staying on that tight shot of the big three with Kirk and Spock responding to McCoy then going to the wide shot of everyone would've been nice. Of course, no one gave me the scissors. Eh, small beef.
The story reminds me a bit of Ben Maxwell in "The Wounded". I liked that they didn't redeem him. Sometimes, someone is simply too far gone. He had been messing with the alien tech for a century, his brain was probably fried. All that was left was his memories of being abandoned.
Yeah, I guess Kirk has been saving the galaxy with his fists (and getting his shirt ripped) for 50 years now.
I was just spoiled by "Deep Space Nine" -- where attacks on Starfleet actually involved a fleet of starships. I guess my complaint is that we need a new DS9 series more than a young-Kirk series ... but that ship has sailed. Let's see what new direction the CBS series will take next year.
Oh please. A least there was a REASON for Kirk to make use of the motor cycle in this film. Contrast that with the Picard Dune Buggy sequence in ST: Nemesis which was 200% absolutely pointless and added NOTHING to the story - yet you feel the former is one of the worst scenes in feature film Star Trek? Come on.
As for 'bad music' is a Star Trek scene, nothing's worse then Picard swaying to a piece of Latin samba music to infer to the audience "look, he's de-aging..." in ST: Insurrection. You want some of the WORST character sequences or scenes in feature film Star Trek - there's plenty of cringe worthy crap in EVERY YNG based feature film made and it's way worse than ANYTHING done to date in JJ Abrams Star Trek film series.
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The way the focus was on his eyes, I was expecting a change in expression that may show regret or remorse. Maybe it was even there, I don't know. That's to look for in the second viewing. He could have indeed been too far along to be redeemed, but I think he could have been rehabilitated in the 23rd century if he could've been saved. That's the really tragic part. How much of him was being driven by being Krall more years than he was Edison? In the end, as he became more human again, was there even enough Edison in him to save and reason with? You can't keep adding time onto a movie, and you especially can't keep adding exposition to a summer action film, but after the climax, our heroes even taking thirty seconds to contemplate Edison's fate, if there's blame that goes beyond him, and whether or not he could've been saved would've been very "Star Trek". Edison helped create the world they now enjoy, then he was discarded. We probably needed at least a little sympathy for him at the end.
How we treat the warrior-soldiers we train to be ruthless killers when they are no longer needed and returned to peaceful society is a very contemporary topic that could've merited a word or two and created some sympathy for Edison.
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I'm definitely not a Beastie Boys fan, but all the negative comments against the use of the song seem to forget that it was the same one that accompanied the Boy Kirk as he ran his stepdad's Corvette off the cliff in the first film.
Hence his "Good choice" comment.
Hence his "Good choice" comment.
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You didn't pay enough attention. Scotty said it was the first Earth ship to go warp 4. Later, it became part of the Federation Starfleet. And later, it was lost in the early 2160s. Presumably, the Franklin was launched before the Enterprise (NX-01). It was then lost after the events of ENT. In all that time it was in service, the Franklin could have received upgrades. Alternatively, it didn't. A patrol boat and an aircraft carrier certainly have different engine capacities, do they not?
As for the registry, that has never been logically done, both in and out of universe. I agree that "(NX-326)" is somewhat misleading from a detail-oriented viewer's perspective, but that went out the window for the Kelvin Timeline in Star Trek 2009, where the new U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701) had a lower registry than Starfleet vessels already in service.
You missed BillJ's point. Never in the movie did they say Edison wasn't on the Enterprise (NX-01).
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I ranked it an A+! I loved the movie, easily the best of the 3 Kelvin Timeline Films. I went in completely blind and avoided all the spoilers. I couldn't have been happier. Bring on the forth movie please!
Right now I give it a solid A. Really good.
On a first viewing, I think I'd have to give it a B-. I was really hoping I'd enjoy it as much as I did Trek 09, but the story just felt a bit too basic and by the numbers to me, and there wasn't nearly as much going on as I had hoped.
For all the talk in reviews about larger themes of "unity" and the need to work together, it never felt like that was explored in any real way, and the movie basically just boiled down to "aliens captured our crew, and we have to rescue them and stop another bad guy who wants to destroy the Federation with a bio-weapon."
And it didn't help that the major event of the movie and thing propelling the story forward-- the destruction of the Enterprise and marooning of the crew on an alien planet-- has already been given away countless times in trailers and ads. So that by the time it happens I didn't find it remotely shocking or surprising to watch, and was frankly just waiting for it to finish so the story could move on.
And the same goes for the USS Franklin reveal as well. I avoided the last few super-spoilery trailers and yet it still felt like all the major surprises were already given away beforehand, which is a shame. The only surprise left was the twist regarding Krall, but that one comes too late to really make much of a difference.
That being said, the movie did have some nice character moments and some welcome humor, and had much more of a classic Trek feel to it than STID. And I can see it growing on me more and more with repeated viewings. I just wished it had grabbed me a lot more the first time.
For all the talk in reviews about larger themes of "unity" and the need to work together, it never felt like that was explored in any real way, and the movie basically just boiled down to "aliens captured our crew, and we have to rescue them and stop another bad guy who wants to destroy the Federation with a bio-weapon."
And it didn't help that the major event of the movie and thing propelling the story forward-- the destruction of the Enterprise and marooning of the crew on an alien planet-- has already been given away countless times in trailers and ads. So that by the time it happens I didn't find it remotely shocking or surprising to watch, and was frankly just waiting for it to finish so the story could move on.
And the same goes for the USS Franklin reveal as well. I avoided the last few super-spoilery trailers and yet it still felt like all the major surprises were already given away beforehand, which is a shame. The only surprise left was the twist regarding Krall, but that one comes too late to really make much of a difference.
That being said, the movie did have some nice character moments and some welcome humor, and had much more of a classic Trek feel to it than STID. And I can see it growing on me more and more with repeated viewings. I just wished it had grabbed me a lot more the first time.
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I paid very close attention. It's not even a question of "attention", but intent. Yes, later it was lost, but still doesn't sit right with me that someone so decorated would be given such a crappy ship.
As for BillJ's point, I don't understand what you're saying. I never implied or said that Edison wasn't on the Enterprise. In fact, he'd have to be. So what exactly are you saying?
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