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HUGE Mr Sulu Spoiler

But you would have people saying the character was created for that purpose only. If they had created a new character, you would have been complaining about that as well, I'd bet.

It is classic misdirection. "I'm not against 'X', just 'X' like this." Kinda disgusting actually.

Ah the classic "you're saying X, but I'm going to label you as actually saying Y just because" argument which is going around here and in clickbait article titles.
 
I just watched the film a little while ago. I saw the scene, and then my mind just went "WTF?" because it was so small, that a blink and you would have missed it. People lost their shit over that.
It made me wish they made the next film in which everyone was gay, just to have those same angry, raging nerds explode with indignation.
 
Yes, "blink and you miss it" is right. I found the scene extremely subtle.

I daresay that, while the intent will likely be clear to American viewers who don't blink and miss that five-second shot, in various non-western cultures, where that level of physical contact is very common among same-sex friends without any romantic connotation at all, audiences may misunderstand the intent entirely and assume it's Sulu's brother or some regular friend.

Kor
 
But you would have people saying the character was created for that purpose only. If they had created a new character, you would have been complaining about that as well, I'd bet.

It is classic misdirection. "I'm not against 'X', just 'X' like this." Kinda disgusting actually.
@BillJ , stop it. Don't make it personal.

Ah the classic "you're saying X, but I'm going to label you as actually saying Y just because" argument which is going around here and in clickbait article titles.
Stop it.

What about George Takei then? Is he also a pretentious homophobe just because he doesn't agree with you?
Stop it.

And can we for FFS leave the whole "homophobe" thing behind? I mean everybody.

It was an extremely unfortunate choice that it was introduced into this thread in the first place. I've asked repeatedly that it be dropped in this discussion. I'm tired of seeing people try to beat each over the head with it, and it stops.

Now.
 
I don't know how I feel about this, to be honest. I mean, yes it's great Star Trek has finally made some efforts to acknowledge homosexuality, Sulu is not the character I would have chosen. George Takei has been insistent even after he publicly came out that he believes Sulu to be straight. Although I'm sure he's not complaining about this news, I still would have honoured his intention. And before anyone suggests "well he's straight in Prime, and gay in Abramsverse" does that even make sense? The presence of Demora kind of muddles the issue, I'm guessing she's adopted in the Abramsverse. What about the Prime Universe? Did Sulu and his (presumably) female partner adopt her there, too? I guess it's possible, or maybe we now assume Prime Sulu was gay too? I guess there's no reason based on what we saw in TOS and its movies that he can't be, and Takei's intent certainly isn't canon.

Whatever, I'm clearly overthinking this. Let's all just be glad we have our first gay main character in the Trek franchise after fifty years.
Or maybe one could infer that Sulu or his partner had a woman to serve as a surrogate.
 
Or maybe Demora is adopted and not biologically related to either Sulu or his husband. There's many different ways a gay couple could be raising a daughter.
 
I do like that male pregnancy could be an option in the 23rd century, although I don't think a modern audience could deal with it at this point.
 
I think the general population of the boards is more evolved and capable of dealing with something like a male pregnancy better than the average movie goer.
Surely if Arnold Schwarzenegger can make male pregnancy an acceptable event, so can we! :ouch:
 
I think the general population of the boards is more evolved and capable of dealing with something like a male pregnancy better than the average movie goer.

I highly doubt that. We had a shitstorm for that 5 second scene, a male pregnancy might cause WWIII :lol:
 
I do like that male pregnancy could be an option in the 23rd century, although I don't think a modern audience could deal with it at this point.
I know of two films that deal with it. One starred Arnold Sschwarzenegger and the other Billy Crystal. Both came out decades ago.
 
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