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Also just got back. Thought it was great. I gave it a B+ grade but it could have been an A-. Loved the easter eggs for the longtime fans, thought the plot was good, liked the story, the characters were spot on. Just an all around good time. The ending of the massive battle was a bit contrived, but we can't have it all.
 
Is it bad that I found it slightly humorous that the announcement of Ambassador Spock's death said 2230-2263 suggesting he was only 33 years old? Of course I understand that 2230-2385-2258-2263 would look weird and confusing as fuck...

No, I giggled too, but I think I was the only one in the theater who did :)

I later told my friend, "Well, he's an old 33. Maybe he needed to drink more water." Morbid yes, but maybe his dates should have an asterisk there.

(For Leonard!)
 
I'm not sure why he sat on his pathetic ass for 100 years feeling sorry for himself either.

I'm starting to sense a pattern here:
  • Nero waited 25 years (sitting on his thumbs)
  • Khan waited ~300 years (frozen)
  • Krall waited 99 (2263 - 2164) years (sucking life from other people)
 
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Just got out and this is the only one of the last three movies that I think is genuinely kinda bad. I felt nothing for the story or the villain, even though he has a great backstory and actor. There's barely even a story here compared to Into Darkness, aside from Spock's side stuff. Some good humor but none of the great moments from the past two movies. Some cringe inducingly bad scenes and It also looked horrible at parts. Many many scenes of flipping around and hanging off cliffs. If this is the last movie with this crew that would be a shame. Nemesis was a better movie.
 
:rolleyes: Decker isn't a pedophile. Please don't confuse the actor with the character.
Ah. But if they used the TMP cast photo, a fair number of the audience seeing it would forget about Decker the character and go straight to remembering he's Stephen Collins the pedo. Plus, I can only presume, it's possible they'd have to pay to use his likeness in the film.
 
I just realized... in my head canon, Manus' fighting style (prominently displayed with Jaylah) is from Starfleet training, maybe-possibly MACO-based like Krall/Edison.
 
As a longtime fan of "Star Trek" in all its incarnations, I liked the nods to continuity in this new movie, especially the many links to the "Enterprise" series (mentions of the Xindi and Romulan wars, the MACOs, etc.).

However, as a fan of science-fiction movies in general, I'm getting a little tired of seeing the fate of the galaxy being determined by a fistfight. I miss the political intrigue of "Star Trek VI" and the later years of "Deep Space 9."

The flashy action aside, this movie is basically the same story as "Star Trek II" -- a villain with a personal grudge looking for a weapon to strike back at the Federation. Come to think of it, that was the same plot as the last three "Star Trek" movies.

"Star Trek" is supposed to be about exploring strange new worlds, but the last several movies have been mostly about old enemies settling personal vendettas. Surely there must be a different kind of story to tell, when they have the entire galaxy as the setting. ...
 
What kind of "accent" involves constantly switching two consonant sounds for no reason?

I know that Germans often confuse W and V when they are speaking english. That's because in german a W is being pronounced like an english V. So it wouldn't be unusual to hear them say "wery vell", happens all the time.

Russians on the other hand shouldn't have that problem. Vodka is a common word there, and I don't think anyone has ever mispronounced it.

Wouldn't it have been more fun if it had been an insane Scott Bakula?

And on this occasion it could have been revealed that he is actually Future Guy!
 
I know that Germans often confuse W and V when they are speaking english. That's because in german a W is being pronounced like an english V. So it wouldn't be unusual to hear them say "wery vell", happens all the time.
What are you talking about? Last I checked, the German letter "v" is pronounced like an English "f". Wouldn't a German speaker mistake "very well" as "fery vell"?

I knew a German a couple years ago, and we only joked about her capacity to correctly render English "w", not English "v".
 
If Archer was trained to fight like the guys from The Raid, why did he keep getting his ass kicked?
Because that's his skill. Picard is a diplomat, Sisko is an engineer, Janeway's a scientist, and Archer's a hostage.

(but to follow up, I'm no real fight expert, but it seemed to be kind of the same fantasized rough and tumble that Reed and Hayes got into in S3, and definitely different than the fighting we'd see in TNG/DS9/VOY)
 
Last I checked, the German letter "v" is pronounced like an English "f". Wouldn't a German speaker mistake "very well" as "fery vell"?

That's not entirely true. We have two different ways to pronounce the letter V. It's either being pronounced like an english V or like an english F, it depends on the word. But no German would say "fery well" ... but "wery vell" is something that I heard dozens of times. "Wampire" is another example ... I guess some people just think that "Vampire" sounds too much like the german word (Vampir) and are trying to make it sound more english.
 
I have to admit, having felt rather burned by the last two, I was steeling myself to have to grade this one on a curve and sort of grit my teeth and accept the usual quotient of Stupid NuTrek Horseshit.

And by God, I really don't have to do that. It's actually a good movie. A good movie that feels like a Trek movie made by people who like and are not embarrassed by the nerdiness of Trek and are not trying to force it into the mould of a superhero movie or a Star Wars movie... a movie that really feels like the spirit of Trek updated with awe-inspiring visuals and action. That Trek nerd itch in my soul got a good scratching I didn't even know it needed.

That's a good feeling. Huzzah. :)

1. A plot that makes sense! A villain with intelligible motives! No deliberately over-the-top anti-science silliness!

2. Little fan-service nods that are genuinely funny and clever and not ham-handed! What a pleasure to have writing in a Trek movie that's actually as clever as it thinks it is!

One shouldn't have to praise a Trek movie for simply having these things, and maybe after this we won't have to! But that's just the adequate stuff, not the good stuff. The good stuff is...

3. Design and settings that really feel like a visual update that preserves and gets the spirit of Trek. The Yorktown base is a triumph in itself.

4. This excellent cast really getting to sink its teeth into great material. Pine, whose performance as Kirk has always been one of the highlights for me, finally convinces not just as an alternate Kirk but as a Captain and leader. Everybody gets fun stuff to do, Uhura gets to not be Spock's Girlfriend for most of a movie -- letting Saldana's shining take on the character truly shine -- and guest-star Jaylah is a delight. (I admit I'm a bit torn between wanting to see her get a crew role and not wanting to see her tamed into Starfleet regimentation.) Urban's Bones really feels present, and I'm glad Yelchin got to have this turn as Chekov before misfortune so tragically claimed him.

5. The villain's motives and actions are bit thinly explained but they make coherent sense, and my fear that Idris Elba, fantastic as ever, would spend the whole movie buried in heavy alien make-up proved unfounded in an interesting way.

6. Genuinely brilliant action sequences, which all the NuTrek movies have had but here they feel like they emerge organically from the material and aren't borrowed and shoe-horned in from somebody else's franchise. The swarm attack is amazing, but really everything is exceptional and enjoyable.

I left the last two movies more than half-disappointed and reluctantly resigned to this iteration of Trek, and never expecting to see a version of this universe that truly appealed to me. What a pleasant surprise this is. I feel really engaged and on board with NuTrek and looking forward to the next adventure with optimism, and I like that. Definitely recommend this movie, which I gave an A-.
 
I have to admit, having felt rather burned by the last two, I was steeling myself to have to grade this one on a curve and sort of grit my teeth and accept the usual quotient of Stupid NuTrek Horseshit.

And by God, I really don't have to do that. It's actually a good movie. A good movie that feels like a Trek movie made by people who like and are not embarrassed by the nerdiness of Trek and are not trying to force it into the mould of a superhero movie or a Star Wars movie... a movie that really feels like the spirit of Trek updated with awe-inspiring visuals and action. That Trek nerd itch in my soul got a good scratching I didn't even know it needed.

That's a good feeling. Huzzah. :)

1. A plot that makes sense! A villain with intelligible motives! No deliberately over-the-top anti-science silliness!

2. Little fan-service nods that are genuinely funny and clever and not ham-handed! What a pleasure to have writing in a Trek movie that's actually as clever as it thinks it is!

One shouldn't have to praise a Trek movie for simply having these things, and maybe after this we won't have to! But that's just the adequate stuff, not the good stuff. The good stuff is...

3. Design and settings that really feel like a visual update that preserves and gets the spirit of Trek. The Yorktown base is a triumph in itself.

4. This excellent cast really getting to sink its teeth into great material. Pine, who performance as Kirk has always been one of the highlights for me, finally convinces not just as an alternate Kirk but as a Captain and leader. Everybody gets fun stuff to do, Uhura gets to not be Spock's Girlfriend for most of a movie -- letting Saldana's shining take on the character truly shine -- and guest-star Jaylah is a delight. (I admit I'm a bit torn between wanting to see her get a crew role and not wanting to see her tamed into Starfleet regimentation.) Urban's Bones really feels present, and I'm glad Yelchin got to have this turn as Chekov before misfortune so tragically claimed him.

5. The villain's motives and actions are bit thinly explained but they make coherent sense, and my fear that Idris Elba, fantastic as ever, would spend the whole movie buried in heavy alien make-up proved unfounded in an interesting way.

6. Genuinely brilliant action sequences, which all the NuTrek movies have had but here they feel like they emerge organically from the material and aren't borrowed and shoe-horned in from somebody else's franchise. The swarm attack is amazing, but really everything is exceptional and enjoyable.

I left the last two movies more than half-disappointed and reluctantly resigned to this iteration of Trek, and never expecting to see a version of this universe that truly appealed to me. What a pleasant surprise this is. I feel really engaged and on board with NuTrek and looking forward to the next adventure with optimism, and I like that. Definitely recommend this movie, which I gave an A-.
Wow, I'm glad you really enjoyed the film! :D
 
I’ll try to do this justice in formal movie-review style:

More than any of the previous 12 big-screen Treks, Beyond seems to aim to be a movie first and a film second. It’s exciting, fast-paced, and a lot of fun, even for casual fans of the franchise – a near-perfect summer movie. But there are also some important themes buried beneath its frantic blockbuster action, and longtime Trekkies will recognize the soul of a true Star Trek story. In the end, Beyond logs a strong third effort in the rebooted timeline developed by J. J. Abrams in 2009 and 2013.

Much credit must go to screenwriter Simon Pegg (Scotty), an already-accomplished writer, director, and humorist, and to director Justin Lin (Fast and Furious frachise). The studio turned control over to them late in pre-production, spurring some excellent work on a very tight schedule. Pegg in particular seems to grok Trek on the gut level of a true fan (as proved in his insightful biography “Nerd Do Well”). The themes of finding meaning in life, balancing duty against fulfillment, and seeking peace versus conflict run through the story both subtly and overtly. This is much more of an ensemble movie than the first two, and each character gets a chance to shine in their own way. The cast performs with a comfortable camaraderie; Chris Pine (Kirk) and Karl Urban (McCoy), in particular, nail their roles. But there is also a sense of levity, of not taking everything too seriously, which befits a franchise that was always more pop-culture than pop-science. This is particularly true of the wild, technobabble solution at the climax of the movie that channels some Beastie Boys “Sabotage” to good effect. Only after the credits roll is a moment of silence held for the recently deceased Leonard Nimoy and Anton Yelchin.

I have to say that, to my eyes and ears, the special effects in Beyond were the best of any Trek, and among the best I’ve seen in any movie. I saw it in a packed IMAX 3D theatre in Langley, squeezed in with my wife and lots of other fans, many in costume; everyone agreed that the visuals were stunning – particularly the interior of the huge space-city Yorktown, a mind-bending, perspective-warping, gravity-reversing tour de force that recalls some of the fun-house ideas presented in Christopher Nolan’s Inception. Adding to the panache were many background and throw-away shots of everyday Federation utopia that really made the future come alive.

Weaknesses? A few. The villain Krall doesn’t have as coherent a motivation as I would have preferred, although a late-story revelation does go partway to explaining his choices. There are some nitpicks about the source of his resources that might be alleviated by a second viewing. And the early-movie attack on the Enterprise, while brutal and well-staged, is a bit too dark and abrupt. (A quick tactical retreat by the crew might have avoided a lot of hassle, rather than attempting to match hostilities. Ironically, many fans have been frustrated over the years with critical plot points involving the Enterprise being overwhelmed by inferior foes without offering much resistance. In this case, they offered plenty of resistance, but it was futile.) Surprisingly given director Lin’s background, a few other action scenes also suffer from a similar lack of spatial and visual clarity. Finally, can we please have a Star Trek movie that doesn’t end in a fist-fight?

My rating? I’ll go beyond a B and give it a B+. Well worth your money. (For reference, I give Into Darkness a B+, Star Trek 2009 a B, and I rank all the films in this order: 2, 6, 8, 12, 11, 7, 4, 9, 3, 10, 5, 1.) I’m looking forward to seeing it again with my dad on Sunday, this time in non-3D for comparison.
 
I have to admit, having felt rather burned by the last two, I was steeling myself to have to grade this one on a curve and sort of grit my teeth and accept the usual quotient of Stupid NuTrek Horseshit.

And by God, I really don't have to do that. It's actually a good movie. A good movie that feels like a Trek movie made by people who like and are not embarrassed by the nerdiness of Trek and are not trying to force it into the mould of a superhero movie or a Star Wars movie... a movie that really feels like the spirit of Trek updated with awe-inspiring visuals and action. That Trek nerd itch in my soul got a good scratching I didn't even know it needed.

That's a good feeling. Huzzah. :)

1. A plot that makes sense! A villain with intelligible motives! No deliberately over-the-top anti-science silliness!

2. Little fan-service nods that are genuinely funny and clever and not ham-handed! What a pleasure to have writing in a Trek movie that's actually as clever as it thinks it is!

One shouldn't have to praise a Trek movie for simply having these things, and maybe after this we won't have to! But that's just the adequate stuff, not the good stuff. The good stuff is...

3. Design and settings that really feel like a visual update that preserves and gets the spirit of Trek. The Yorktown base is a triumph in itself.

4. This excellent cast really getting to sink its teeth into great material. Pine, whose performance as Kirk has always been one of the highlights for me, finally convinces not just as an alternate Kirk but as a Captain and leader. Everybody gets fun stuff to do, Uhura gets to not be Spock's Girlfriend for most of a movie -- letting Saldana's shining take on the character truly shine -- and guest-star Jaylah is a delight. (I admit I'm a bit torn between wanting to see her get a crew role and not wanting to see her tamed into Starfleet regimentation.) Urban's Bones really feels present, and I'm glad Yelchin got to have this turn as Chekov before misfortune so tragically claimed him.

5. The villain's motives and actions are bit thinly explained but they make coherent sense, and my fear that Idris Elba, fantastic as ever, would spend the whole movie buried in heavy alien make-up proved unfounded in an interesting way.

6. Genuinely brilliant action sequences, which all the NuTrek movies have had but here they feel like they emerge organically from the material and aren't borrowed and shoe-horned in from somebody else's franchise. The swarm attack is amazing, but really everything is exceptional and enjoyable.

I left the last two movies more than half-disappointed and reluctantly resigned to this iteration of Trek, and never expecting to see a version of this universe that truly appealed to me. What a pleasant surprise this is. I feel really engaged and on board with NuTrek and looking forward to the next adventure with optimism, and I like that. Definitely recommend this movie, which I gave an A-.
OK. Who pirated BigJake's account? ;) :D
 
I thought it was OK. It was very Trekkie for the first 10 minutes or so, but then it descended into non stop action for almost the whole rest of the film. The action scenes were all brilliantly conceived, if rather frantic, but I just thought it was too much. I thought destroying the city in Darkness was over the top, but they had trashed the Enterprise and killed half the crew by the time we were half an hour in!

Of the nods that I caught, I enjoyed most of them. The peformances were all brilliant, as usual from this excellent cast.

I thought promoting the Beastie Boys from soundtrack fodder to actually being an integral part of destroying the bad guys was cheesy as fuck, but it was a spectacular scene anyway.

I'm sure it'll grow on me.
 
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Saw it mid-afternoon at my local cinema. The cinema was about half full which is pretty good.

Will see it again tomorrow with a friend at a bigger cinema in Brisbane with a bigger crowd.

The photo of the original cast elicited a few gasps from the audience.

Overall, still too soon for me to say anything more than I liked it.

Considering it's been only 19 months from Lin's pitch to Paramount to the movie getting into cinemas, I think everyone involved did a heck of a job.

Any Star Trek movie that doesn't have a crazy admiral gets two thumbs up from me.

Commodore Paris was the model of wisdom!
 
I've seen it. More later today. Not a perfect movie. Easily the best genre movie of the year though.

RAMA
 
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