Are you sure? Favorite Son? Profit and Lace? Threshold is just stupid, but Profit and Lace is actually painful to watch.
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Do you really want to mention EVERY episode, which isnt this good? Come on, they are not best episode at all, but not to compare with threshold. And to stay fair, all the other series, yes, even DS9 have not always very good episodes. Give them a chance :-)
hehe, as I read this I really had to laugh. This sentence was quite good :-)
I was on autopilot for most of it until I saw them actually destroy the ship.
One moment I was thinking "I wonder how many times we've seen them activate the self-destruct sequence without actually following through out of all the shows".
Ten minutes later and they end up actually growing through with it
amazing, isnt it?
I've read and heard people try to defend Threshold. It's a weird episode, but I can at least say that the cast puts its fullest into the story, and it even has one interesting moment (when Janeway jokes that she might have been the aggressor, a moment which may have been memorable in a better episode). I can say the same about Spock's Brain, Code of Honor, and Let He Who is Without Sin.
Precious Cargo, though, carries a number of dubious distinctions. The writer and the script editor/producer volunteer that it may be the worst episode. It is rife with bad Star Wars references. It has easily the worst acting performance in the entire franchise's history. And as far as I can tell, it is the only episode in franchise history that the producers sought to hold back from broadcast.
Yes, there are things worse than Threshold.
Uh. Then Tuvix isnext, which is an episode that has the fandom split like no other on the resolution.
Which could be argued is a good thing, as it has certainly provoked a lot of debate on this forum. Though I would say any debate on the episode itself (over on above rating, saying it's good or bad etc..) should be done in a sperate thread in the VOY sub-forum
I'll strongly second that.
I liked Tuvix as a character. IMO he had the best attributes of both Tuvok and Neelix. And I wish there was some way he could have survived without sacrificing both of the others.
What did you think about the mini story arc that ended with the episode Investigations?
What did you think about the mini story arc that ended with the episode Investigations?
Even though I disagree with the conclusion, I applaud the episode. The writers had the courage to make the resolution about Janeway's choice, when they could easily have said that Tuvix was medical unviable. Things got reset as usual, but because of choice that were made. I only wish that some of the crew would have disapproved.
Never noticed any SW references apart from a character being called "princess". That actress definitely brought an otherwise mediocre episode down to the level of appalling.
if I might offer a suggestion. Go one episode further into Voyager and watch Flashback as well. It's a stand alone episode, but it will work well with shifting gears to go back to DS9 and back to the movies. It will also leave you on a bit more positive note regarding Voyager. I won't spoil it beyond that except to say you will be extremely happy with some of the guest stars. Season 2 is probably Voyagers overall worst. Just far more lows the highs and very few high points. While Voyager never does hit the consistent highs as DS9 does, and suffers from wildly uneven episodes week to week, by and large it does get better from here. Also less Kazon, which helps a lot.
Edit: Yes go through to the Swarm before switching back to DS9. Minor spoiler, Doctor Bashir I Presume? Deals with the research and development of the Starfleet EMH's. The creator of the EMH's appears in both episodes, but he is first introduced in The Swarm. They are stand alone appearances so order doesn't matter that much.
If we are thinking of the same Trip episode (and we may not be, there are so many to choose from) it's very very bad. Easily the worst Enterprise one. But still doesn't quite hit the insane horror of the freaky lizard sex.
one thing that Voyager does do very very well, that you kind of wish they had delved into it more, was horror type episodes. Voyager had the great potential to play with scary when they thought to use it. DS9 really only had one really good episode like that. You'll know it when you see it. (although a few of the traditional annual "Let's Fuck with O'Brien" episodes do come close. BTW yeah, if you haven't figured this out yet. It was a recurring challenge or game of the writing staff to in some way truly torture or fuck with Miles O'Brien in some utterly horrible way once each season 'Whispers", "Visonary" "Hard Time" etc. )
Like I wrote above, Precious Cargo, I believe, was the only episode in the entire franchise that the producers sought to withhold from broadcast. That's damming.
I really don't wish for this more.
It seems like I recall there was a novelization of the episode when it came out. And there was more detail about the false memory. Like how it changed to fit the person whose brain it was infecting. Rather than them all seeing the same little girl.
Season two of Voyager was the nadir, it's a little bumpy in season 3, but 4-6 are better.
I rank season 2 of Voyager as the second worst in Star Trek history following season 3 of TOS.
RAMA
I rank season 2 of Voyager as the second worst in Star Trek history following season 3 of TOS.
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The Swarm are so boring no one remembers them.The Doctor lost his memory! Episode ended with a literal reset button
Welp, anyway, now that I've watched that, I can safely and surely move on to season 5 of DS9! It's about time!
SULU!
Gotta love those Monster Maroon uniforms.
In terms of story/writing, while it was lovely to see Sulu, Rand and the Excelsior again, I think it was a bit of a missed opportunity. Another time travel/Yesterday's Enterprise-esque plot would've been more interesting, IMO. It seems like a waste to get George Takei back just to reenact his scenes from Star Trek VI, there should have been more for him to do. The whole Tuvok little girl memory thing was weird and not very compelling.
I was hoping for more interactions between the VOY cast and the crew of the Excelsior, but we didn't get any. I'm usually not a huge fan of Braga's episodes, and while it was fun, it was somewhat disappointing in my eyes.
There is a DS9 episode looming quite soon that may be more what you are looking for.
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