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FOX: Sleepy Hollow - Season Discussion

However, I feel saddened at the continued hue and cry over what happened in the finale. On the one hand, I can understand why people might have issues with the decision (I've been in their shoes in the past with regards to Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 7 and a few other shows), but there's also a part of me that feels like it's time to let the anger go and get back to being supportive (which is what happened with me; I eventually got myself caught up on BtVS Season 7 and purchased it on DVD).

All else being equal, you could be right, but the problem is that it's probably not equal. There's more involved than with your typical cast-change situation. It seems as if some of the higher-ups at FOX may have been uncomfortable with a show having so many people of color in the cast and introduced changes to shift the ratio more toward white cast members both in terms of number and amount of screen time, and it's been speculated that this may have been a factor in Nicole Beharie's desire to leave the show. If that is the case, I feel that behavior shouldn't be rewarded by my continuing to watch the show.

Granted, though, at the moment, three of the four announced cast members are nonwhite. So I'm not really sure what to make of the situation. I suspect there's a tension between producers who want to cast more diversely and executives who are pushing back against that. But if that tension is the reason we've lost Deputy Andy and Captain Irving and Leftenant Mills and had Hawley and Betsy Ross foisted on us, then the wrong side seems to be coming out ahead on points.
 
If I'm being perfectly honest, my response to all of this hue and cry over "behind-the-scenes drama" is to go "so what?", but that's mainly because I don't let behind-the-scenes 'stuff' affect my enjoyment of a show. What matters to me - and what I feel like ought to matter to anybody who calls themselves a fan of something - is what happens onscreen, which is why I feel on the one hand that it's one thing to be upset about a character being 'mishandled' and vent for a while before "getting over it" and letting yourself reconnect with what you're a fan of, and something else to walk away forever just because something happened that you don't agree with (regardless of what may or may not have led to said thing happening).

And, just for the record, this is how I feel about a lot of different shows and the way that certain parts of the fandoms for said shows react/have reacted to certain things, not just Sleepy Hollow.
 
I don't know what you're talking about. 1993 makes me think of the X-Files but that's when it started not when Mulder left....?
 
If I'm being perfectly honest, my response to all of this hue and cry over "behind-the-scenes drama" is to go "so what?", but that's mainly because I don't let behind-the-scenes 'stuff' affect my enjoyment of a show.

And as I said, in most cases, that's okay. But this is not most cases. This is not just an ordinary contract dispute or personality clash. It's naive, if not willfully dishonest, to look at a situation that might be the result of racism and just dismiss that as no different than any case of a white actor being dumped from a show. It's profoundly different, because it involves serious issues that affect our entire society, not just our entertainment. So I think it's deeply inappropriate for you to trivialize my concerns as if they were just another irrelevant bit of offscreen "drama." That's not what I'm talking about at all.


What matters to me - and what I feel like ought to matter to anybody who calls themselves a fan of something - is what happens onscreen, which is why I feel on the one hand that it's one thing to be upset about a character being 'mishandled' and vent for a while before "getting over it" and letting yourself reconnect with what you're a fan of, and something else to walk away forever just because something happened that you don't agree with (regardless of what may or may not have led to said thing happening).

The thing is, though, I'm not that great a fan of the show. The show has been a mess for two years now. I'm a fan of Nicole Beharie, who's an amazing actress and one of the most powerful and compelling screen presences I've ever seen and pretty damn sexy to boot. She is head and shoulders above anything else in the show (figuratively if not literally). Tom Mison is a lot of fun too, but mainly in the context of his interplay with Beharie. Lyndie Greenwood is hot, but she's just not an actress of the same caliber as Beharie. Dropping Beharie is dropping the single most impressive and worthwhile element of the show, the main factor that made it even watchable in these past two poorly written, meandering seasons. That in itself is creative suicide. And if the only reason this amazing actress was dropped is because of the color of her skin, then that is a goddamn outrage.
 
I didn't mean to offend, Christopher, and apologize. If you have legitimate concerns about the show going forward, that's a different situation entirely than a lot of the backlash I've seen.

Personally, I was drawn to the show as much for the premise and those involved on the production side of things as I was for the chemistry between the two leads, which is why I feel like it'should going to take a lot more than killing off a character - even a character that I admittedly love - to sour me on the show.
 
And you don't think that racism would qualify as "a lot more"?

Yes, racism would qualify as "a lot more"; however, without any provable context for those kinds of allegations, at least that I've seen, all I can do right now is approach things from my own perspective, which is that, for as much as I love Abbie, her absence by itself isn't enough to sour me on the show because she wasn't my only reason for enjoying it.

I do want to say thank you, though, for providing some insight into this from your perspective, because it's been enlightening in a way that a lot of the other "rage posts" I've seen on the subject of what happened in the finale and as reaction to the show being renewed haven't.
 
Yes, racism would qualify as "a lot more"; however, without any provable context for those kinds of allegations, at least that I've seen, all I can do right now is approach things from my own perspective, which is that, for as much as I love Abbie, her absence by itself isn't enough to sour me on the show because she wasn't my only reason for enjoying it.

That's the thing, though. Racial discrimination in the TV/film industry is a given. It's been pervasive for generations and is still an everyday reality. The question is whether the efforts to overcome it are gaining ground or losing ground. Sleepy Hollow started out as a major step forward in that regard, but it feels like there's been an ongoing effort from some quarters to push back and shift its balance in favor of white characters/actors. The show started out with a majority-nonwhite cast, but nearly 2/3 of the regular or recurring characters added to the cast over the past 2 years have been white. Granted, not one of those added white characters is still part of the cast as of the end of season 3, but that just illustrates how poor or unnecessary many of them were. It remains to be seen what new characters will be added in season 4.

As for the rest, I do enjoy Crane and Jenny, but I doubt I'll enjoy them as much without Abbie to play off of. And the stories haven't been that enjoyable for a while now. The show has lost the manic creativity and gleeful absurdity that it started out with. It's still going through the motions of telling wild supernatural stories implausibly grounded in colonial/Revolutionary American history, but it feels less inspired, more mechanical now, and it doesn't have the same sense of lunatic fun and unpredictable absurdity. The Yolanda factor is gone. And the sudden retool they seem to be tossing in, this secret society that was supposedly charged to assist Crane in fighting evil but has been conspicuously absent all the times over the past three years when they could've really been helpful in saving the world from the Apocalypse... it feels like the show has just gone off the ramp and there's a whole pool full of sharks circling underneath it, and I'm not sure there's actually a landing ramp on the other side. Heck, just wrapping up Moloch's Apocalypse and dragging in an unrelated, manufactured mythological evil for season 3 felt shark-jumpy enough. And after Hawley in season 2 and Betsy Ross in season 3, I'm not eager to see what annoying tacked-on new character will show up next. At this point, I see more potential negatives than positives.
 
^ Hmm.

I think my perspective is also affected by the fact that I haven't been watching the show LIVE since Season 1 (mainly because of time constraints), aside from the second half of the BONES crossover, "Dead Men Tell No Tales", so nothing has really changed for me in terms of the things that drew me to it. Who knows, though; maybe my perspective will shift as I get myself caught up (something I'm hoping to do before the Fall).
 
If I'm being perfectly honest, my response to all of this hue and cry over "behind-the-scenes drama" is to go "so what?", but that's mainly because I don't let behind-the-scenes 'stuff' affect my enjoyment of a show.
I would generally agree with you, but when the behind the scenes drama starts having such a huge effect on what is on screen, and starts taking away enjoyable elements of the show, then it does get to be a lot harder to ignore.
I'm pretty sure I've seen stories about the racism behind what happened in other places, and if those stories are true then it really is a shame. It's really frustrating when things like that start to effect the stories and the characters on the show. I honestly didn't even notice the racial diversity of the cast until the accusations of racism started coming out.
 
I don't know what you're talking about. 1993 makes me think of the X-Files but that's when it started not when Mulder left....?
No, I said a cute couple I knew, not on TV. As I said, just being sentimental.
 
Hm. I never watched Prison Break, so I was a bit surprised for a moment to see a picture of Captain Cold and Heat Wave on an article about FOX's lineup. I wonder if that revival is being delayed to midseason to accommodate the actors' schedules in the Arrowverse.

If CW keeps Legends of Tomorrow in it's same time slot, then Miller & Purcell will play Captain Cold & Heat Wave at 8pm and become Michael Scofield and Lincoln Burrows at 9pm.
 
If CW keeps Legends of Tomorrow in it's same time slot, then Miller & Purcell will play Captain Cold & Heat Wave at 8pm and become Michael Scofield and Lincoln Burrows at 9pm.

LoT has been renewed for a second season but in the next new season Miller at least will be a re-occurring Arrowverse character rather than a regular.
 
LoT has been renewed for a second season but in the next new season Miller at least will be a re-occurring Arrowverse character rather than a regular.

I read that, from a contractual standpoint, Miller is a regular (in that he's signed for the whole season and, I assume, paid like a regular), but he'll be shared across two or three shows rather than just one. I gather that it's a unique contract, the first time something like that has been done in TV. Although I'm not sure. Richard Anderson and Martin E. Brooks were regulars on The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman at the same time, but they were full-time, weekly regulars on both shows. I'd assume they each had two separate contracts, one for each show, especially in the final year when the two shows were on different networks.
 
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