I thought the owl was supposed to be like the dude from Zelda.
Star Wars Rebels Season Two (spoilers)
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More of a break-down summation than an analysis. I still have no idea what half of it means or how much is even intended to be symbolic and how much is incidental.Wow, outstanding analysis, Reverend! Thanks for putting in the time and effort and posting that. Excellent work.
For example: is it significant that Hera is resting her hand on that empty seat? Is that were Ahsoka sat last time she was there? Why is Sabine the only one facing Kanan? Did the Soof follow Ahsoka, or become her? I have no idea.
The overall theme I getting though is of change and the ending of a chapter. It's saying to me that everything has changed, nothing and nobody is the same any more. Also, somewhat disturbingly is that there seems to be an implication that Ahsoka may be falling to the dark side. She attacked out of vengeance, stood fast against a Sith Lord and refused to leave him and yet we see her walking away...into a Sith temple. nevermind metaphor, taking these things literally looks like she may be in even greater turmoil than ever.
One thing seems clear though, the Soof shouldn't be there. There's no way that planet isn't a dead, sterile rock. If there was any life left in that place after the scourging, it's had thousands of years to reclaim the planet. It hasn't. Not so much as a weed or a patch of lichen, so an avian should be out of the question.
Unrelated note: Vader has eyebrows again? And his old scar is still visible? Is that a shot at the special editions/BluRay alterations, or was it just an easy way to make it more recognisably Anakin's face? I also noticed he didn't seem quite as pale as he did in RotJ.
I think they mentioned that the eyebrow was left on to help Anakin emote. It looked off without the eyebrow.
I figure after this duel and the one with Kenobi, Vader's getting older and either getting less out of suit sun time (in his pressurized meditation chamber, or he has been slowly healing himself and his skin is coming back, but without his Tatooine double sun tan.
Also I have a thought. A lot of what drives Vader is his anger and hatred. After Kenobi falls, wouldn't that reduce his hatred, his focused hatred of Obi-wan? Add the discover of Luke Skywalker and the Sith Lord's emotional armor starts to fail, leading to Anakin Skywalker.
But if Ashoka dies, could she become one with the Force via the action of the Daughter (symbolism with the "Soof")? Could Ahsoka (or Qui-Gon for that matter) pierce the Dark Lord's control after the duel on Bespin and not only teach but attempt to pull Anakin out into the light. Or at least prepare him for what he might suspect is coming. Vader seems a lot more unsure of himself in RotJ even before he brings Luke to the Emperor.
I figure after this duel and the one with Kenobi, Vader's getting older and either getting less out of suit sun time (in his pressurized meditation chamber, or he has been slowly healing himself and his skin is coming back, but without his Tatooine double sun tan.
Also I have a thought. A lot of what drives Vader is his anger and hatred. After Kenobi falls, wouldn't that reduce his hatred, his focused hatred of Obi-wan? Add the discover of Luke Skywalker and the Sith Lord's emotional armor starts to fail, leading to Anakin Skywalker.
But if Ashoka dies, could she become one with the Force via the action of the Daughter (symbolism with the "Soof")? Could Ahsoka (or Qui-Gon for that matter) pierce the Dark Lord's control after the duel on Bespin and not only teach but attempt to pull Anakin out into the light. Or at least prepare him for what he might suspect is coming. Vader seems a lot more unsure of himself in RotJ even before he brings Luke to the Emperor.
had a thought maybe Anakin hadn't been in the suite for long but then Rebels is set 14 years after ROTS so he should been pretty pale and gettng close the ROTJ appearance - though he could have had a few more rough experiences that lead to his final visual appearance.
I just rewatched the episode. I'm thinking Vader had a moment of weakness and let Ahsoka run away. That, or they were just blown clear of each other in the explosion.
It's a shame we apparently won't be seeing Ahsoka again... I feel a lot more connected to her than to any of the Rebels characters, who I do truly enjoy.
It's a shame we apparently won't be seeing Ahsoka again... I feel a lot more connected to her than to any of the Rebels characters, who I do truly enjoy.
Another possibility is that Vader went to strike her down and she pulled an Obi Wan and vanished. Remember that in the Mortis arc Ahsoka was corrupted by the Son and killed, only to be brought back with the last of the Daughter's lifeforce. At some level Ahsoka has part of an ancient Force Wielder within her (maybe even both of them) and while both the Son and Daugher's bodies remained when they were killed, the Father's disappeared, so it's at least possible. So the "Soof is Ahsoka" idea may not be far off the mark. Maybe instead of going to the netherworld, she's instead become like the Force Wielders; a shape-shifting avatar of the force. It has a certain poetry to it.
There's also her line "there's still a way" after her vision of Anakin/Vader at the Lothal temple. At face value you might assume she's talking about redeeming Anakin, but there's no indication of that in this episode. Indeed, she swears vengeance, goes right for the killing blow when the opportunity came and damn near takes his head off.
There's also her line "there's still a way" after her vision of Anakin/Vader at the Lothal temple. At face value you might assume she's talking about redeeming Anakin, but there's no indication of that in this episode. Indeed, she swears vengeance, goes right for the killing blow when the opportunity came and damn near takes his head off.
I just realized something else.
Not only does Vader echo Kylo's line about "your son was weak, so I destroyed him"...
...it looks like Ahsoka pulls an Old Luke/Yoda/Obi-Wan and just goes into hiding because she failed her master/apprentice and he turned evil.
Honestly, it feels like a bit of a contrivance to me, taking an older more powerful character off the board so the new character can come in and save the day.
Not only does Vader echo Kylo's line about "your son was weak, so I destroyed him"...
...it looks like Ahsoka pulls an Old Luke/Yoda/Obi-Wan and just goes into hiding because she failed her master/apprentice and he turned evil.
Honestly, it feels like a bit of a contrivance to me, taking an older more powerful character off the board so the new character can come in and save the day.
This is more or less what I was thinking is being shown at the end. It is open enough to interpretation so that someone could bring her back, but the symbolism is also there for her to have passed on.
Somehow I'd like Ahsoka to be "haunting" Vader. He was so proud of her as Anakin. Vader might be able to keep her away most of the time, but Snips might be able to talk to her old Master when he rests. After Obi-wan's death I would think more of Vader's rage would be let go...as it was directed at Obi-wan. With that gone, his desire for revenge is also gone. Plus not too long after he gets an obsession, Luke Skywalker. That would be a fun conversation to overhear I think. Vader/Anakin with Ahsoka talking about Luke. With Ahsoka jabbing at him playfully if she could manage to get a dig in at Skyguy over it, at the expense of Vader. I would think something like that would amuse Ahsoka, especially since it was Padme.
I can't imagine them not doing that. It's a fan's wet dream.
Some sites are reporting that Season 3 might be the last as Disney wants to have a series set between the originals Trilogy and the Sequel Trilogy.
They also report rumors that the final seasons of Rebels will be tied into setting up some parts of Rogue Squadron.
I'm still hunting for where I read it, but I know I saw/heard that a year ago Rebels had already finished its cast recordings for the full 4 or 5 season run (I can't remember the number but it was NOT 3) and they were already moving on to develop a post-ROTJ CGI animated series. I think it was when Freddie Prince Jr was on the Force Cast or something.
According to Freddie Prinze Jr, those sites are full of it.
That seems a lot more likely, but most assuredly unconfirmed. It's worth remembering that animated shows take quite a while to make from script to screen, so any direct tie-in would have to have been planned about two years in advance. Not impossible, but it certainly complicates matters given how fluid the details of a movie can be during development.
If you listen to the rest of the interview I linked above, they're just now finishing up recording season 3.
To put it bluntly, anyone who claims to know how many seasons the show will last who isn't either Dave Filoni, Kathleen Kennedy or Bob Iger is most likely talking out of their arse.
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I doubt they've written however many seasons of Rebels that far in advance.Maybe what I read/heard was that they were done WRITING the entire Rebels series and moving on to write the next series... I think that's it. I wish I could remember the source
Plotted arcs? Sure.
Started a rough plan on what the next show would be? Maybe.
Written forty to sixty or eighty or more full scripts? I highly doubt it.
^I figured that's what went down. The obvious follow-up question would be: so where's Barris now?
With Ahskoa seemingly out of the picture for the foreseeable future, the window for that reunion seems to have closed (at least as far as the show's concerned.) Of course the obvious/boring answer is that the Emperor had her executed in prison, but we know she was already falling to the dark side and now know he turned at least one knight of the order into an inquisitor. You'd think a disillusioned and angry padawan would be much easier to mold than a knight who'd lost his faith.
With Ahskoa seemingly out of the picture for the foreseeable future, the window for that reunion seems to have closed (at least as far as the show's concerned.) Of course the obvious/boring answer is that the Emperor had her executed in prison, but we know she was already falling to the dark side and now know he turned at least one knight of the order into an inquisitor. You'd think a disillusioned and angry padawan would be much easier to mold than a knight who'd lost his faith.
According to Wikipedia, there have been 37 episodes so far, so at this point I would be shocked if they didn't make it to 50, if not 75-100.
If memory serves, when the series first started they were planning around four seasons, (makes sense since that would put it about a year prior to ANH) then transitioning to a Post-OT series.
