Hate for the new Trek and the Future of Trek
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Hell, yeah, I would...
Huh...I think I could like Quark. Trust, no, but like, pretty sure.
Rom seems like a decent sort if a little short on repartee. What is it with me and the Ferengi?
Fans have always (for the most part) been filled with hate and anger over their beloved franchise. Look back at the backlash over Star Trek- The Motion Picture and the premier of The Next Generation.
I thought it was very VERY interesting to read Allan Asherman's "Making of Star Trek II" book. There was a whole section in there over the fan angst over having Bennett, Meyer and a bunch of unknowns running "THEIR" Star Trek..."how could they possibly understand how to make MY movie????"...and a whole bunch of information about the over-the-top negativity surrounding the leaked rumors of the death of Spock.
Honestly, there were passages from that book, written in circa 1982 that sound EXACTLY like they came from 1987, 2009 or 2016 regarding fan anticipation and angst of the new movie.
It's one of the reasons I don't actively engage with fandom as much as I'd like. For the most part, people are generally very negative.
I didn't really like Voyager or Enterprise. I don't DISlike them...but I don't really like them either. But, I don't frequent those boards and spew my distaste. I just don't say anything. There's enough Star Trek to go around. I don't need to like all of it. And, when there's stuff I don't really like...I check it out and move on if it doesn't meet my tastes. No biggie...no need to throw a fit or curse the heavens.
I thought it was very VERY interesting to read Allan Asherman's "Making of Star Trek II" book. There was a whole section in there over the fan angst over having Bennett, Meyer and a bunch of unknowns running "THEIR" Star Trek..."how could they possibly understand how to make MY movie????"...and a whole bunch of information about the over-the-top negativity surrounding the leaked rumors of the death of Spock.
Honestly, there were passages from that book, written in circa 1982 that sound EXACTLY like they came from 1987, 2009 or 2016 regarding fan anticipation and angst of the new movie.
It's one of the reasons I don't actively engage with fandom as much as I'd like. For the most part, people are generally very negative.
I didn't really like Voyager or Enterprise. I don't DISlike them...but I don't really like them either. But, I don't frequent those boards and spew my distaste. I just don't say anything. There's enough Star Trek to go around. I don't need to like all of it. And, when there's stuff I don't really like...I check it out and move on if it doesn't meet my tastes. No biggie...no need to throw a fit or curse the heavens.
Yup.
KingDaniel took an article from 1982 about The Wrath of Khan and replaced TWOK with Into Darkness whenever mentioned and you couldn't tell the difference. People going on about how Star Trek was ruined because it was being turned into a brainless action franchise.
Ha! Now that I'd like to see!
PM KingDanielBeyond. I'm sure he still has it.
Have you ever seen the bold effort to rewrite previous work retroactively like how Rick Berman Productions had done? To me it was constant to the point trek fans started repeating it as if it was religion. I was corrected in a forum about Space Warp Propulsions from TOS and some person felt they're called nacelles and later calling TOS consoles as Okudagrams. The lingo was too heavy handed and when we got ST: Ent. it continued to rewrite the series I loved.
I never got that from Abrams films, despite how much it borrows from Star Wars and later in TWOK kind of, but his films are fluff.
YES. At least Abrams films didn't make me sick from all of the tampering of the timeline done by First Contact.
Spock understood he was not in the same universe from JJ Trek so it wasn't breaking the rules by revealing whatever to Kirk or to Spock because it doesn't change or alter or rewrite, if folks think ENT was canon which I'm ignoring, the normal Star Trek Universe.
There's a thread on Klingons, Romulans, have you ever seen the show Star Trek Enterprise???
What exactly has Rick Berman rewritten about TOS? I'm truly curious.
Klingon appearance and honor were both changed before Berman was in charge of the franchise, as were the Romulans. Roddenberry and Maurice Hurley were in charge of season one of TNG, and Hurley was in charge of season two. Berman was the person assigned by the studio to keep Roddenberry on time and on budget.
Star Trek: Enterprise (I own the complete series on Blu-ray) violated fan assumptions about the time period but nothing from the show outside of the Romulan cloaking device seen in "Minefield".
If you don't like certain material, that's cool. But you might want to take time to research who changed what and who was in charge when.
It wasn't so much Rick Berman as it was (initially) Gene Roddenberry who wanted to distance TOS from TNG in terms of continuity, terminology etc. I think Berman just carried that thought forward.
Also, ENT, for better or worse, was purposefully designed to break from continuity in an attempt to make the show more accessible. That was the whole rationale for doing the prequel. Unfortunately, they forgot somewhere that having good characters, meaningful conflict, and fun original adventure stories are what REALLY draws new audiences.
Whoa, it was Roddenberry who developed the Klingons changing to what they were in TOS and claiming is was a genetic defect??? Guys, go watch your Enterprise.
And I will say that JJ movies are all about messing with timelines. At least in First Contact they were using time travel as an actual thematic element instead of using it because of a lack of originality.
JJTrek doesn't mess with the normal timeline. Lack of originality is all Berman Productions including First Contact; where Picard's crew don't even try not to violate the timeline by revealing everything Cochrane's going to do. Not even when Riker and Geordi joins Cochrane on his journey, I mean that's part of history being violated. Urgh. It made me sick.
Roddenberry began altering his own vision on Star Trek the moment the series ended, the Motion Picture was the start of his own revisionist period that kept going with The Next Generation. Berman had little to do with all of that until 1991-1992 when he took more control over it's production.
But he was far from the only person working on all of Trek during that era, everyone involved with the series and those that followed branched out on new ideas and interpretations. Constantly villifying the wrong people for the wrong reasons does not help.
But he was far from the only person working on all of Trek during that era, everyone involved with the series and those that followed branched out on new ideas and interpretations. Constantly villifying the wrong people for the wrong reasons does not help.
It was Roddenberry that created the discrepancy to begin with.
The point was Berman Productions rewrote TOS, a so called prequel to Star Trek, and invented an explanation on Enterprise. The ridges was what they really looked like.
You realize that was just bullshit designed to get him off the hook with fans?
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