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STC's Lolani

By the way, I'm not trying to throw a bomb here. But I read the book AND saw the STC episode.

The book and the show have basically the same plot points: a gov't that condemns slavery but politically can't stop it, and will return an escaped slave to her owner after she seeks asylum aboard a fleet's military ship, and then the ship's doctor talks about the woman's pheromones being something that makes her more alluring to males, and a woman doctor supports and becomes friends with the slave woman, and then she and the ship captain disagree about what to do with the slave. Then the slave (Aer'La) does what Lolani does, and tries to seduce the ship's captain who won't fall for it but wishes he could help her anyway.

In the book, just like in the show, the captain's superiors want him to return the slave to her people and the one who comes to get her? Her owner. Same in both stories.

Aer'La is accused of murdering someone in an escape attempt, just like Lolani, the man on the ship's crew helps her in both stories. Hell, in the book and the show, mental telepathy is used to see what the slave's REAL story is.

In the book Aer'La fakes her death, and in the show it looks like it's real, but both are basically suicide attempts.

To me Lolani seemed like a beat-by-beat retelling of this story but on the show some other author and Vic are credited with the story.

It smells wrong to me.
 
I haven't read the book, but the similarities certainly do appear to be there. This is not a good time for ST fan films to get in hot water with anyone.
 
If true, the allegation is just one more nail in the coffin for fan films, and one more reason why making movies should be left to the professionals.
 
Some of the similarities posted, "Pheromones from the female" for example, were concepts introduced on Enterprise.... other similarities could be coincidence... but maybe not...
 
Some of the similarities posted, "Pheromones from the female" for example, were concepts introduced on Enterprise.... other similarities could be coincidence... but maybe not...

The author recapped everything better than I could have:

"– The moral problem is that it may be politically expedient for a government that condemns slavery to return an escaped slave to her owners.

– An escaped female slave petitions asylum aboard a military vessel.

– A male doctor and the senior surgeon is the first to reveal the slave’s pheromones as a problem.

– A woman doctor is the first member of that vessel’s crew to befriend the slave.

– The vessel’s Captain and his female doctor clash over the slave’s disposition.

– The slave radiates pheromones that make her attractive to males.

– The slave attempts to seduce the vessel’s captain in order to win her freedom. The Captain refuses her, but wants to help.

– The Captain’s superior orders him to turn the slave back over to her people, and informs him that a slaver vessel is already on its way to pick up the slave.

– The person who comes to collect the slave is not just any representative of her people, but with very slave trader who originally sold her and abused her.

– The slave is accused of murdering someone in the course of trying to escape.

– Telepathy is used on the slave to find out the truth of her story.

– The slave’s case is taken up by a young officer.

– The young officer helps the slave in an escape attempt, placing him in defiance of his Captain’s orders.

– The slave attempts suicide, and her death (faked, in my story) resolves the immediate diplomatic incident."
 
If true, the allegation is just one more nail in the coffin for fan films, and one more reason why making movies should be left to the professionals.

I agree, so I pose the question, why bring this up if not to throw another fan film into hot water?
 
Well if STC is guilty of plagiarism -- and again, the evidence presented is somewhat damning -- that's all the reason in the world to bring it up.

Because, you know, plagiarism being a bad and dishonorable and kind of shitty thing to do.

Perhaps STC felt they could get away with it because they weren't profiting off of STC itself, but that doesn't make plagiarism any less disgusting, nor does it mean we can't call them out on it.
 
I mean Im not trying to say that plagiarism is ok, because it's not, I just don't think right now is the best time to be discussing such things.

Just about every Fan film has in some way taken other peoples idea's and have applied them to their productions. Hell, Hidden Frontier has an Episode Yesterday's Excelsior which is more or less word for word a copy of Yesterday's Enterprise.

I mean if we want to start airing out the dirty laundry of every production, right now, then fine so be it. But, then we should just start hammering the nails ourselves because we'd be assisting in ending all fan films.
 
Is the author actually accusing STC of ripping him off?

How do we know the author wasn't initially inspired by the portrayal of Orions in TOS and later ENT?

It could be a weird coincidence given such things have happened before--one example being TOS' episode "Arena." And David Gerrold might also have unconciously modeled his tribbles after Robert Heinlein's flatcats.
 
While I admit the similarities in the stories are striking, the timing of the accusations are quite suspect. Now that Axanar is up shit creek, why does STC have to be dragged into trouble at the same time as well?
 
Is the author actually accusing STC of ripping him off?

How do we know the author wasn't initially inspired by the portrayal of Orions in TOS and later ENT?

It could be a weird coincidence given such things have happened before--one example being TOS' episode "Arena." And David Gerrold might also have unconciously modeled his tribbles after Robert Heinlein's flatcats.

This is not a comment on Star Trek Continues one way or the others, but the thing about "Arena" and "The Trouble with Tribbles" is that de Forest Research and the studio viewed the story similarities to previous work in both as actionable. That's why they acquired the rights to Brown's short story and Roddenberry got permission directly from Heinlein.
 
Is the author actually accusing STC of ripping him off?

How do we know the author wasn't initially inspired by the portrayal of Orions in TOS and later ENT?

It could be a weird coincidence given such things have happened before--one example being TOS' episode "Arena." And David Gerrold might also have unconciously modeled his tribbles after Robert Heinlein's flatcats.

This is not a comment on Star Trek Continues one way or the others, but the thing about "Arena" and "The Trouble with Tribbles" is that de Forest Research and the studio viewed the story similarities to previous work in both as actionable. That's why they acquired the rights to Brown's short story and Roddenberry got permission directly from Heinlein.
You'd think they'd have maybe worried about that re The Enemy Below, too. ;)
 
If it is plagiarism, it's idiotic. What's the profit in it? Writing creds in IMDb? Deadline approaching and no story? I really hope it's not the case.
 
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It's quite common to base a TV episode off of a film or another similar concept. TOS did it with Balance of Terror which is really a re-make of the film The Enemy Below. Is it plagiarism?
 
I'll just file it under 'coincidence' until it is proven otherwise.
 
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