Han Solo From SWANH vs. Han Solo From SWTFA(BEWARE MAJOR SPOILERS

[CorporalCaptain]

Just like any parent whose kid has gone bad, Han had some amount of hope that he could appeal to Ben/Kylo and get him to come back home.

Kor

Even after Kylo struck Han, Han still showed him only love. Caressing Ben's face was Han's last act, before falling to his death. It was clearly Han's hope that his appeal to Ben will continue forever.

 

[Ithekro]

Oddly a nod to Padme's last statement about Anakin.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Just like any parent whose kid has gone bad, Han had some amount of hope that he could appeal to Ben/Kylo and get him to come back home.

Kor

Even after Kylo struck Han, Han still showed him only love. Caressing Ben's face was Han's last act, before falling to his death. It was clearly Han's hope that his appeal to Ben will continue forever.

Maybe it will later but for now that Klyo will gain strength in the dark side with Hans death and more people will die and suffer first.

 

[Ithekro]

Will Leia confront Ben? She's a Skywalker too. We don't think she's been trained at all by Luke, but who knows.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Will Leia confront Ben? She's a Skywalker too. We don't think she's been trained at all by Luke, but who knows.

Heh. That's all we need. Maybe Ben can fool her also and to make her death different than Hans he can force choke her.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Maybe Leia would Force choke Kylo.

 

[Ithekro]

Leia does have a temper.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I don't think he expected to die.

I wholeheartedly disagree. As I mentioned upthread, he knew (along with the entire audience) what it meant to step out onto that platform with Ben. He did it anyway, even though he knew the odds were small. He did it because the odds, small though they were, almost always ended up working in his favor and because this was a gamble worth making. Sure, there was a part of him that thought he might be able to talk his way out of this one - but the hesitation he made before shouting Ben's name, before stepping onto the bridge, shows he clearly knew what he was getting into. He knew this could be his last act.

And that's what makes the moment so powerful. He still confronted his son.

I don't know the fright and surprise on Hans face makes me think he didn't expect to die.

 

[The Doctor]

I don't think he expected to die.

I wholeheartedly disagree. As I mentioned upthread, he knew (along with the entire audience) what it meant to step out onto that platform with Ben. He did it anyway, even though he knew the odds were small. He did it because the odds, small though they were, almost always ended up working in his favor and because this was a gamble worth making. Sure, there was a part of him that thought he might be able to talk his way out of this one - but the hesitation he made before shouting Ben's name, before stepping onto the bridge, shows he clearly knew what he was getting into. He knew this could be his last act.

And that's what makes the moment so powerful. He still confronted his son.

I don't know the fright and surprise on Hans face makes me think he didn't expect to die.

I think being insta-stabbed with a blade of pure energy would be a tad shocking, don't you think?

 

[TRON JA307020]

I wholeheartedly disagree. As I mentioned upthread, he knew (along with the entire audience) what it meant to step out onto that platform with Ben. He did it anyway, even though he knew the odds were small. He did it because the odds, small though they were, almost always ended up working in his favor and because this was a gamble worth making. Sure, there was a part of him that thought he might be able to talk his way out of this one - but the hesitation he made before shouting Ben's name, before stepping onto the bridge, shows he clearly knew what he was getting into. He knew this could be his last act.

And that's what makes the moment so powerful. He still confronted his son.

I don't know the fright and surprise on Hans face makes me think he didn't expect to die.

I think being insta-stabbed with a blade of pure energy would be a tad shocking, don't you think?

Yup. Still he seemed shocked that his son would stab him. He really thought he wasn't going to die.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I hope that Luke does die by the end of this series....What could be more appropriate than having him nodding his approval as a Force ghost at the end of Episode IX?

As for Leia's role...I think they're giving her as little to do as possible. Her performance couldn't have had less life in it if they'd rolled her out on life support.

 

[the G-man]

This thread is for people that saw Star War The Force Awakens. Please do not read any further if you do not wish to be spoiled.


Basically what did you all think of the way Han was portrayed in the new movie and did you like the last scene with his character in the movie? Did that last scene seem like a strong moment for the guy we first met in that cantina on Tatooine all those years ago or a weak moment?

I'm going to say it was a weak and disappointing moment and I will elaborate on that when others that have seen the movie start to post here. I'm keeping this first post fairly spoiler free. I think most expected Abrams would handle Han the way he did and I felt it sucked just as I expected it would. Its just my opinion though.

Han Solo isn't exactly the same person at 75 that he was at 35. Who is?

 

[the G-man]

As for Leia's role...I think they're giving her as little to do as possible. Her performance couldn't have had less life in it if they'd rolled her out on life support.

IMO, Carrie Fisher is great at playing pissed off or spunky but has never, even in the OT, been particularly good at playing the quiet or sympathetic moments. And given that her role in this film was as the wise, caring, older figure, she came off just as lifeless as (in my opinion) she did trying to comfort Luke in the 77 when movie when Ben died or even the Life Day Special.

 

[Shazam!]

And that he's STILL running around with dangerous cargo This all seemed in keeping with his character.

That was my favourite bit if the movie. It was the only ounce of originality the movie had, something we'd never seen before - the famous smuggler Han Solo actually smuggling something.

 

[Set Harth]

Technically in ANH he was smuggling people.

 

[Ithekro]

Wasn't much of a smuggle since the Empire started shooting at them before he even took off. It was more a blockade run that a smuggling job.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Wasn't much of a smuggle since the Empire started shooting at them before he even took off. It was more a blockade run that a smuggling job.

Han used the smuggling compartments to smuggle himself, luke, chewie, obi wan, artoo and threepio aboard the Death Star.

 

[Ithekro]

Which wasn't part of the deal. That was improvised on Kenobi's suggestion. (He wasn't able to talk his way out of the Imperial entanglements because the Empire tended to just shoot and not talk).

Han didn't finish that deal as arranged. Not only was the destination not there when he arrived, his employer died on the Death Star, and the original source for the payment (Bail Organa) was also dead. He was lucky that Leia Organa and the Alliance were still willing to pay him for taking them to Yavin, before they decided on taking on the Death Star. I wonder if they paid him again for the help (aside from the medal).

That he neglected to pay off Jabba with it is partly his fault, though Chewie likely guilted him into sticking with the Rebels until they got settled after fleeing Yavin. Or he got comfortable until Ord Mantel and the bounty hunters started coming after him again. But that was three years of not paying off Jabba the Hutt. He did try to talk his way out of that...when he "saw" Jabba next. Offered triple.

Now, 30 years after Jabba's death, Solo is still smuggling, and sometimes failing in his runs. But still trying to talk his way out of things. I wonder if his failures were because he didn't have the Falcon's speed like he use to have. Though I doubt he'd be carrying that kind of dangerous cargo on the Falcon...mostly because it lacks the space, more than anything else.

 

[T'Bonz]

I thought it was touching when Han raised his hand to Ben's face after being stabbed. I felt as though he was telling his son he still loved him in his final moments, in spite of what he had done.

Precisely what I thought (just saw the movie today).

Obviously, as a big Han Solo fan I HATED that he was killed off*. I knew the bastards would do it too.

*we see him falling so assume he's dead but it's the movies yannow!

 

[Ithekro]

Rumors suggest he might be in the next film. Though one would hope in flashbacks. Han Solo's good, but surviving a stab and fall followed by having the planet blow up? That's a little much to come back from. He's no Jedi, Sith, or Timelord.

Of course we knew Harrison Ford and the writer had wanted to kill off Han Solo since the end of the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. So this wasn't that much of a surprise even though it was.