Han Solo From SWANH vs. Han Solo From SWTFA(BEWARE MAJOR SPOILERS
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I actually really liked Han's final scene because it shows a nice sense of closure to his character arc. When we first meet him in ANH, he is a self-serving "flyboy" and people wonder if he truly cares about anything.
In his final scene in TFA, he knows that he is probably going to be killed by walking out to get Ben but he does it anyway. It is the ultimate sacrifice of a parent for a child and a fulfillment of his promise to Leia. It reminded me of many parents who deal with children with addiction and who never give up on them no matter how much pain they cause. I loved the way that Han's dying action is not one of violence but one of tenderness and forgiveness--He may not have become one with the Force as Obi-Wan did but he dies as a man at peace with himself, which is a great end for Han Solo.
In his final scene in TFA, he knows that he is probably going to be killed by walking out to get Ben but he does it anyway. It is the ultimate sacrifice of a parent for a child and a fulfillment of his promise to Leia. It reminded me of many parents who deal with children with addiction and who never give up on them no matter how much pain they cause. I loved the way that Han's dying action is not one of violence but one of tenderness and forgiveness--He may not have become one with the Force as Obi-Wan did but he dies as a man at peace with himself, which is a great end for Han Solo.
Why would he be at peace with himself. As far as he know while he is dying is that his son will go on murdering. If I knew that I would feel pretty bad while dying that my offspring is well on his way to becoming the current greatest threat to the galaxy.
Yep^ His face was horrified at his failure and knowing it would continue.
What a kick in the neither regions that scene was.
What a kick in the neither regions that scene was.
Exactly. He looked horrified when he fell back. I saw no peace or serenity in Hans face. Not quite the way I envisioned him to go out. Man I hope they give Luke a better death or a happy ending. Geez.
Yes, Han was severely conflicted over his confrontation with Ben.
But it was possibly the best ending they could have given his character - a purely selfless, self-sacrificing gamble on his own flesh and blood.
I can only hope Luke's (potential) death is as gripping, meaningful, and providing of closure for the character as Han's death was.
But it was possibly the best ending they could have given his character - a purely selfless, self-sacrificing gamble on his own flesh and blood.
I can only hope Luke's (potential) death is as gripping, meaningful, and providing of closure for the character as Han's death was.
I wouldn't mind seeing at least one of our heroes get a happy ending. But I do hope Luke gets to kick some butt first without dying instead of just training Rey. If he has to die in a later film so be it but they need to use him, He is nearly 10 year younger than Harrison so there is no need to kill him off so quickly.
Well, to be fair, Han had his swashbuckling, butt-kicking moments in TFA as well (loved the over-the-shoulder-almost-blind shot against the stormtrooper 
). So it's not like his character didn't have moments to shine in the film.
). So it's not like his character didn't have moments to shine in the film.
Well both Skywalker twins are still around. Where their path leads will be something to see. The story is still about the Skywalker family. We have three confirmed in the story, with a likely fourth in Rey. What will happen to them is sort of the main storyline for these sequels.
I don't see how they'd kill off Leia at all, or even try to kill her off. Luke could go down as the Master Jedi to Ren and Snoke....but is that the arc they need to keep Rey going forward? Or will she just be his first success and stick around to train more as the Jedi Master while he slowly trains more Knights for the New Republic.
Or will they throw us a total curve ball and force the Resistance and First Order together against something worse? Force the Light and Dark sides of the Force to unite. We have at least two more movies to go.
I don't see how they'd kill off Leia at all, or even try to kill her off. Luke could go down as the Master Jedi to Ren and Snoke....but is that the arc they need to keep Rey going forward? Or will she just be his first success and stick around to train more as the Jedi Master while he slowly trains more Knights for the New Republic.
Or will they throw us a total curve ball and force the Resistance and First Order together against something worse? Force the Light and Dark sides of the Force to unite. We have at least two more movies to go.
Now that would be intriguing. Something requiring a literal balance of Force users?
It'd certainly be an interesting rejoinder to the criticisms that TFA wasn't original enough.
Now that would be intriguing. Something requiring a literal balance of Force users?
It'd certainly be an interesting rejoinder to the criticisms that TFA wasn't original enough.
It would be original but unlikely. The first order just destroyed the main planet of the New Republic and with 4 others to boot. They just killed billions. Its hard to imagine a worse threat now,
Yeah, Han's last thoughts must have been that he just facilitated the completion of his son's journey to the Dark Side. Striking down one's father with all of their hatred is a biggie on the checklist.
I am certainly hoping for a lot more from the next films.
Regarding my Han at peace comment though--I was thinking more thematically than plot wise. Here is a man who didn't give a shit about anything when we meet him who now makes the ultimate sacrifice for somebody other than himself. He has now come full circle as a character. And given that we have two more films in this current story to go, I can full well see that moment on the bridge being a defining moment for Kylo Ren.
Regarding my Han at peace comment though--I was thinking more thematically than plot wise. Here is a man who didn't give a shit about anything when we meet him who now makes the ultimate sacrifice for somebody other than himself. He has now come full circle as a character. And given that we have two more films in this current story to go, I can full well see that moment on the bridge being a defining moment for Kylo Ren.
LOL! I was thinking that when I saw the scene. I was like dang Han just increased his sons link to the dark side.
Harrison Ford once said that he thought Han Solo was as "dumb as a box of rocks". I am wondering if that's why they filmed his last scene that way. Han really was not so sharp in his last act and it certainly surprised him when his son sabered him. I don't think he expected to die.
I wholeheartedly disagree. As I mentioned upthread, he knew (along with the entire audience) what it meant to step out onto that platform with Ben. He did it anyway, even though he knew the odds were small. He did it because the odds, small though they were, almost always ended up working in his favor and because this was a gamble worth making. Sure, there was a part of him that thought he might be able to talk his way out of this one - but the hesitation he made before shouting Ben's name, before stepping onto the bridge, shows he clearly knew what he was getting into. He knew this could be his last act.
And that's what makes the moment so powerful. He still confronted his son.
As they had said a little earlier in the film, as long as there was light they had a chance. When Han stepped out there, there was still light. Even as Ben handed over his lightsaber there was light. Than the light went out. Kylo held onto his lightsaber against Han's grip, then turned it on Han Solo. The light has gone out in Ben Solo. Only Kylo Ren remained.
I don't think Kylo Ren is as simple as that though. He still, even at the end, seems more like a confused kid than a truly evil bad guy. He has done many horrible and horrific things, but like a follower of Charles Manson or even an ISIS soldier/rogue terrorist, he seems to not be aware of what he is actually doing. He seems to be more like the Boston bomber, even in appearance. A confused, conflicted child filled with hatred and wanting to lash out. It would be a mistake to have him "saved" as was Vader just because that would be repeating the same story--but I think we will see more to this character.
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