I wasn't expecting a leap on par with the Jedi or even Mario, but Maggie climbed that ladder with all the urgency of someone getting ready to fish some leaves and twigs out of their gutters.
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I wasn't expecting a leap on par with the Jedi or even Mario, but Maggie climbed that ladder with all the urgency of someone getting ready to fish some leaves and twigs out of their gutters.
It made no sense to have a guy who's been angling to escape & warning that he'd kill everyone he could, & espousing the belief that they all are/should be dead already, & then have him get the upper hand on 6 different people, & not kill any of them
I'm having a hard time with the show too. The Eastman episode was a special shining moment in what otherwise hasn't been all that thrilling. What is everyone's job #1 in this world right now? Shooting human bodies in the brain under countless conditions, that's what. The vast majority of them are masterful at it whenever the scene needs to move past it quickly, but let 1 guy get a knife near someone's throat, & suddenly the hardened crack shots just lay their guns down. Come the F### on. It's damn near point blank range, & 1 of the shooters was Rosita, who's survived with the soldier boy this whole time, & who I already consider to be one of the most wasted opportunities in the entire cast.
Pining for Abe is really poor character development for her. I wish like hell they'd give her something worthwhile.
Also, when guys on motorcycles are blocking the damn road, it's not good, & you know better. They have no chance against armed people in a truck. Mow them down or turn & run, trashing them or gunning them down if they follow. They just make them so blundering if they are trying to squeeze them into what I figure is a comic plot, they're itching to get to. It makes me wish there was no comic. At least then they'd have their own direction & wouldn't have to dummy up a scenario to get them to the next big thing in the "bible"
This was very disappointing. Deanna's stuff was the only good stuff about this episode, imho
I'm having a hard time with the show too. The Eastman episode was a special shining moment in what otherwise hasn't been all that thrilling. What is everyone's job #1 in this world right now? Shooting human bodies in the brain under countless conditions, that's what. The vast majority of them are masterful at it whenever the scene needs to move past it quickly, but let 1 guy get a knife near someone's throat, & suddenly the hardened crack shots just lay their guns down. Come the F### on. It's damn near point blank range, & 1 of the shooters was Rosita, who's survived with the soldier boy this whole time, & who I already consider to be one of the most wasted opportunities in the entire cast.
Pining for Abe is really poor character development for her. I wish like hell they'd give her something worthwhile.
Also, when guys on motorcycles are blocking the damn road, it's not good, & you know better. They have no chance against armed people in a truck. Mow them down or turn & run, trashing them or gunning them down if they follow. They just make them so blundering if they are trying to squeeze them into what I figure is a comic plot, they're itching to get to. It makes me wish there was no comic. At least then they'd have their own direction & wouldn't have to dummy up a scenario to get them to the next big thing in the "bible"
This was very disappointing. Deanna's stuff was the only good stuff about this episode, imho
I really enjoyed the episode, but I agree those two moments stretched the credibility the most. Our characters really should have been a lot smarter than that by now, and if I were Denise I think I'd rather take the chance of being accidentally shot that having my throat slit.
And Daryl should never have driven up as close to the bikers as he did.
And Daryl should never have driven up as close to the bikers as he did.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, you might hit Denise but it's probably worse if she goes with Wolf Boy.
And we were probably all hitting our imaginary gas pedals in the scene with Daryl.
Loved the final few minutes of the episode, with the music playing and our people wading into the herd.
Loved that Carl didn't tell on Ron. I think he's earned 100% of Ron's respect there.
Sam, I got no clue. Is he disconnected from reality?
Liked the fight between Carol and Morgan. Can't believe how many clueless people in this thread over the past few pages have been trying to argue one side or the other (mostly Carol's side). You're all clueless. The only reason that situation happened is beacuse they didn't work together. If Morgan and Carol would have trusted each other and worked together, they'd be an unstoppable team. This wasn't a case where Morgan was right and Carol was wrong, or Carol was right and Morgan was wrong. They were both wrong for not working more closely together. And that's why they failed.
I'll agree that it seemed silly that Daryl drove the fuel truck right up to the bikers. I do wonder how the bikers knew to just set up a roadblock though. There's no good outcome for Daryl and crew in that situation though. They're driving a gigantic target against a bunch of people with guns. Barreling through isn't going to work. Even if they hit some of the guys, at least a few would dive to one side or the other and fire off some shots. Ruining the fuel truck's axels or whatever by driving over some motorcycles isn't going to help either.
But yeah, I really did like that ending, mostly just silence and music as we watched our characters present situations.
Loved that Carl didn't tell on Ron. I think he's earned 100% of Ron's respect there.
Sam, I got no clue. Is he disconnected from reality?
Liked the fight between Carol and Morgan. Can't believe how many clueless people in this thread over the past few pages have been trying to argue one side or the other (mostly Carol's side). You're all clueless. The only reason that situation happened is beacuse they didn't work together. If Morgan and Carol would have trusted each other and worked together, they'd be an unstoppable team. This wasn't a case where Morgan was right and Carol was wrong, or Carol was right and Morgan was wrong. They were both wrong for not working more closely together. And that's why they failed.
I'll agree that it seemed silly that Daryl drove the fuel truck right up to the bikers. I do wonder how the bikers knew to just set up a roadblock though. There's no good outcome for Daryl and crew in that situation though. They're driving a gigantic target against a bunch of people with guns. Barreling through isn't going to work. Even if they hit some of the guys, at least a few would dive to one side or the other and fire off some shots. Ruining the fuel truck's axels or whatever by driving over some motorcycles isn't going to help either.
But yeah, I really did like that ending, mostly just silence and music as we watched our characters present situations.
He was also hell bent on escaping. I would guess he was eager to find his crew so they can return and finish the job. For all of the "Negan is coming" talk, I suspect the Wolves will not just be a placeholder antagonist only to vanish at the start of 6B.
TV Rosita probably will not find her purpose until the relationship with Abraham ends. She loves him, but if you recall her revelation in season five's "Crossed," she's a person who needs people to need her--to consider her:
Abraham fed that need, and she gladly agreed to go wherever Glenn's group was headed because she was recognized as having value. So, the groundwork for her character was laid out. Whether the series builds on that is another matter.
What?? People in a truck are at a total disadvantage:
- Their range of motion is compromised in the truck, so any defensive / offensive move they make would be telegraphing for Negan's crew, thus the free, positioned enemy would have the seconds needed to shoot the heroes down.
- Turning and running? In the seconds it would take to even try that, Negan's crew would open fire. No vehicle would move fast enough to escape.
They remembered to camouflage people in walker guts.
I wonder why they didn't do it the x number of other times it would've been useful.
I wonder why they didn't do it the x number of other times it would've been useful.
Bingo. Unfortunately the Carol worship is too strong in here, so you're not going to get many other people to agree with you.
What was the deal with the ants? Just to show how tuned-out Sam was?
I dont understand why they dont kill more walkers regularly. They should have walker-holes in the fence and just poke them with long spears through the head. And once enough bodies pile up, then just make a new hole and keep on poking. Or poke them from the fence. Sure there are lots of walkers, but still that's what they should be doing regularly.
Was kind of surprised by the end, thought that there would have been some big cliffhanger. But they just left them walking around.
Was kind of surprised by the end, thought that there would have been some big cliffhanger. But they just left them walking around.
The Carol Worship in here is absurdly high.
No, the only reason that situation happened is because Morgan didn't just gut the Wolf first time round like Carol told him to. Name one solitary benefit to him being alive. Just one.
And let's not forget the others he let go who almost killed Rick. Lucky for Morgan they didn't come across some idiots who couldn't defend themselves. Actually, maybe they did. We don't know.
Carol choosing to make an issue off it now (during a zombie invasion) was ridiculous but I think that's about her reaching out for help. I think she knows Morgan is someone who can understand what she's going through. She's clearly traumatised but that doesn't change the fact that Morgan was simply wrong to start an apocalypse rehabilitation centre in the basement.
So is the Carol Hate. "Carol Worship" is so high because Carol needs more defending than anybody else in the cast.
It's silly to label people like that. I mean, maybe that's the case for some, but I definitely don't worship Carol. I thought she was wrong to kill Karen and David, but I think it's right for her to kill any wolves, regardless of if they are held captive. It wouldn't matter to me if it was Rick, Sasha, or Abraham doing these things, I would judge them the same way.
Also, the thing about trust is that it's really hard to initially trust someone who's been deceiving you. Carol, Rick, and the others might have an easier time trusting Morgan had he been more straightforward with them. He's had plenty of opportunity to be honest, but he turned all of those down in order to preserve his lunatic ideals. Sorry, but that's a person who can't be trusted. That's a person who is crazy.
I think Carol could've certainly handled the situation better than that. She's definitely got her own issues. But I simply don't place blame on her for something that is clearly Morgan's fault and was instigated by his actions.
Also, the thing about trust is that it's really hard to initially trust someone who's been deceiving you. Carol, Rick, and the others might have an easier time trusting Morgan had he been more straightforward with them. He's had plenty of opportunity to be honest, but he turned all of those down in order to preserve his lunatic ideals. Sorry, but that's a person who can't be trusted. That's a person who is crazy.
I think Carol could've certainly handled the situation better than that. She's definitely got her own issues. But I simply don't place blame on her for something that is clearly Morgan's fault and was instigated by his actions.
Who hates Carol? She's a bad ass. Doesn't mean we can't point out mistakes.
Indeed, like all of the characters we just often point on mistakes her, and everyone else makes but there's hardly any "hate" for her. Certainly no on the levels of the "Rick hate" that get expressed here on a weekly basis. And I'm more than willing to admit Rick has his flaws and mistakes.
For the Carol Lovers she can do no wrong.
Criticize Morgan all day long for his idiocy and naivety of thinking he could keep the Wolf's presence secret and rehabilitate him the same way he was by Eastman. The Wolf was clearly off the rails, like the middle-named serial killer Eastman mentions in his stories in that episode.
But the Wolf's escape still presented itself when Carol decided to play "hero" and intervene with what Morgan was doing. Whatever the Wolf was planning it could have happened later or in a different way than it did when Carol stepped in.
Carol has her qualities and pluses but, the support she gets around here -and over the net as a whole- seems unreasonably strong and high. And I still maintain it's undeserved as this character-change in her dropped out of nowhere. In Season 3 she could barely aim a rifle at a walker's hard and cowered in a closet for a day or two following a walker attack, and then in Season 4 -a few months later- she's a stone-cold bad ass teaching the prison kids to use guns, burning innocent people and justifying it and can aim bottle rockets at gas tanks.
But, fine, she's got some skill in taking care of walkers and human threats. She still makes more than a few poor decisions and mistakes. But there's no "hate" thrown towards here on the levels thrown at Rick.
I know you say there isn't hate, but I'm pretty sure this is what people refer to when they say Carol hate. I mean, this is beyond criticizing her actions, which is fair game, to criticizing the foundations of the character and complaining that other people like her too much, which is bizarre.
Only if the events you point out are actually mistakes. There's a difference between mistakes and actions she takes that you don't like.
btw, do fangirls still have that "if Daryl dies we riot" ethos?
As frankly would anyone would even notice at this point? I'd almost forgotten he still existed when we saw that extra scene. What's he even done lately, I know there was that episode a couple of weeks ago but that was so tedious and dull I was hardly paying attention. He just rides round on his bike and occasionally mumbles something.
Same for Sasha, Rosita and Eugene. So much dead wood in this show now. Oh yeah and what about that other black guy they introduced earlier this season? lol he quickly vanished.
As frankly would anyone would even notice at this point? I'd almost forgotten he still existed when we saw that extra scene. What's he even done lately, I know there was that episode a couple of weeks ago but that was so tedious and dull I was hardly paying attention. He just rides round on his bike and occasionally mumbles something.
Same for Sasha, Rosita and Eugene. So much dead wood in this show now. Oh yeah and what about that other black guy they introduced earlier this season? lol he quickly vanished.
You don't like the show. We get your thing now.
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