When Willow first had sex with Oz it seemed like she was doing it because she felt he had earned it.
On season 4 of Buffy...should I be watching Angel?
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But she did enjoy it. Throughout the episode they do it a few more times. When she and Oz are taking care of Angel, she even says that it was the best night of her life. She truly did love him otherwise she wouldn't have been gutted when he and Veruca made with the smoochies, and he left.
she loved him. I was a bit disappointed with when she chose tera over him.
She loved Oz emotionally, that doesn't necessarily mean she was sexually attracted to him.
Was Joss Wheadon involved in the post-show comics? That wholly determines my interest in them. That it sprung from the same creative mind as the show.
So, let me get this straight. Dawn just spent a year living in fear of a God and her demon minions, and her sister is a vampire slayer (With implanted memories of all the events of the series probably including Angelis tormenting her). And she still wanders through dark alleys alone at night, allows herself to be alone with strangers she's never met in daylight, and doesn't find immunity to cold to be odd.
So, let me get this straight. Dawn just spent a year living in fear of a God and her demon minions, and her sister is a vampire slayer (With implanted memories of all the events of the series probably including Angelis tormenting her). And she still wanders through dark alleys alone at night, allows herself to be alone with strangers she's never met in daylight, and doesn't find immunity to cold to be odd.
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Yes, it was produced by Whedon and he wrote/co-wrote a lot of the storylines and individual books. And it is considered "canon". Same for Season 9 and 10 series of the comics. In later stories they also start including Angel storylines and characters.
There are some lists around that list all the official comicbooks and preferred reading order. But I would say that starting to read Season 9 would be pretty good starting point. And if it interests you, then digging up rest of the books and order in which to read them.
As far as I'm concerned if it's Wheadon-approved it's canon, so no argument there.
Wait, wait. They make Buffy bisexual? Ok, one previously heterosexual attractive female gets in a relationship with a woman, it's progressive. Two, it's wish fulfillment of male writers.
Wait, wait. They make Buffy bisexual? Ok, one previously heterosexual attractive female gets in a relationship with a woman, it's progressive. Two, it's wish fulfillment of male writers.
That's not even remotely my logic, though. My logic is that Willow continued to imply (and even outright state, in regards to Oz) that her feelings for Oz and Xander were real even after she realized her feelings for Tara. If she had ever said or implied that her previous relationships were a product of teenage confusion, societal pressure, wanting to 'fit in', or something along those lines, there would indeed be no question. But she never did that, and in fact did the opposite a few times.
Now, you can certainly believe that maybe her emotional feelings for them were real but she wasn't really attracted to them, if that's how you want to interpret those scenes. But when I look at the fluke and Willow and Oz's first time, etc, the impression I get is most definitely not that she's only doing it because it's expected, or to reward them, or anything other than because she wants to.
But that's not actually what happened. They didn't "make her bisexual." What happened was that a friend named Satsu, who was lesbian, developed a crush on Buffy, and though Buffy discouraged her at first, she was open-minded enough that she eventually decided to give it a try. She enjoyed it enough to do it a couple of times, but finally decided that she just wasn't able to return Satsu's feelings, because she wasn't bisexual.
This is what I've been saying -- it's a huge, huge mistake to confuse behavior with orientation. A heterosexual woman who experiments with lesbian sex once or twice isn't bisexual, just open-minded. If anything, my impression is that Buffy's choice to sleep with Satsu was more an act of generosity than anything else; Satsu was a friend and had saved her life, and she really, really wanted to have sex with Buffy, so Buffy tried to oblige her. I mean, Satsu was in love with her. That's got to be flattering, and it's natural enough to want to be able to allow someone to love you, if you don't have anyone else in your life. So Buffy was willing to give it a chance, but it just didn't happen.
Look, just stop trying to fit it into some stereotyped mold. Human beings don't work that way. Love and sexuality are complicated things, and they interact in complicated ways. Labels and categories are fictions we invent to try to simplify things, to reduce them to single, easily manageable ideas, but that's just a convenient approximation, not a fundamental truth. The reality is always going to be messier and harder to pin down.
All this, for some reason, reminds me of a party one evening at a friend's house. Present were one gay couple (Rich and Tom) and one lesbian couple (Ellie and Donna). All were good, long time friends. Tom and Donna happened to be sitting on a bench next to each other. Both were pleasantly drunk. Tom very casually reached over and gave Donna's breast a couple of squeezes. She looked ,surprised, confused, and a bit horrified. A few of us who saw, just sort of stared in surprise. Finally my wife said "Just checking?" Tom nodded. "Still gay?" Tom nodded and smiled. Donna continued to look surprised. Someone asked Donna "Anything?" She continued to look surprised while she slowly shook her head no. Aaaand back to the party.
I´m not sure how you´re reading my comments, but this is essentially exactly what I´m saying.
^But it's just as much a stereotype to say "Willow must be bisexual because she really did feel something for Oz." Either way, it's trying to force a label on a person, which just gets in the way of actually understanding her as an individual.
Forbin, that's funny and horrible at the same time! I would have slapped him.
Something just occurred to me.
If Willow is so much more powerful now, how come she has made no attempt to save Amy in three years?
Did the writers just kinda forget or was there some throwaway line I missed that explains Amy's fate?
Is Amy the Borg Baby of Buffy?
If Willow is so much more powerful now, how come she has made no attempt to save Amy in three years?
Did the writers just kinda forget or was there some throwaway line I missed that explains Amy's fate?
Is Amy the Borg Baby of Buffy?
Spoilers...
Personally I don't pay much attention to the comics they say its canon but it is really not. if buffy did a reunion show I guarantee they will ignore the comics. think of it as the star wars expanded universe effect
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