Don't judge the dimension with only shrimp in it!
On season 4 of Buffy...should I be watching Angel?
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Don't judge the dimension with only shrimp in it!
That's right. They believed they were rescuing Buffy. The twist about her being in heaven came at the end of the episode I think.
Again, haven't seen the show in years, but I seem to recall being a bit bothered that it seemed like the Scooby Gang simply hadn't done their research in this case. I mean, there wasn't even any serious discussion in terms of "Wait, how do we know Buffy's in a hell dimension?" or coming up with some method to check where she was before yanking her back to Earth.
Granted that would have interfered with pretty much everything that came later, but still...what can I say, I hate it when the Gang seems to overlook obvious questions.
Granted that would have interfered with pretty much everything that came later, but still...what can I say, I hate it when the Gang seems to overlook obvious questions.
^Everything's obvious in retrospect. At the time, it made perfect sense to assume she'd been sucked into Hell. That's why her revelation at the end that she'd actually been in a "heaven dimension" had such impact -- because we didn't see it coming.
@Ethros
Yeah, I'm still watching Angel/Buffy/Angel/Buffy.
The effects of moving to a different network have been obvious. Buffy and Angel have a dramatic reunion that is only acted out by Cordelia and Wesley.
I just watched the episode with Fred's parents. The way it was setting it up I thought her parents were going to somehow turn out to be evil. I'm glad they didn't go there.
I like Spike and Buffy's relationship in season 6 so far. He's become the only person she doesn't have to lie to. I don't know where they're going with this 'All the nerd characters are banded together as evil masterminds' thing, but I love all the nerd culture references it's caused.
There are plenty of people who don't realize they're gay until college, and statistically women often realize it at a later age than men. So I have no problem with the 'She was always a lesbian and didn't realize it' thing. But I also would have no problem with 'She just loves Tara enough that gender is not important with her'.
Speaking of Oz, was Seth Green's departure strictly a contract issue?
Yeah, I'm still watching Angel/Buffy/Angel/Buffy.
The effects of moving to a different network have been obvious. Buffy and Angel have a dramatic reunion that is only acted out by Cordelia and Wesley.
I just watched the episode with Fred's parents. The way it was setting it up I thought her parents were going to somehow turn out to be evil. I'm glad they didn't go there.
I like Spike and Buffy's relationship in season 6 so far. He's become the only person she doesn't have to lie to. I don't know where they're going with this 'All the nerd characters are banded together as evil masterminds' thing, but I love all the nerd culture references it's caused.
There are plenty of people who don't realize they're gay until college, and statistically women often realize it at a later age than men. So I have no problem with the 'She was always a lesbian and didn't realize it' thing. But I also would have no problem with 'She just loves Tara enough that gender is not important with her'.
Speaking of Oz, was Seth Green's departure strictly a contract issue?
Seth Green decided to leave because he wanted to focus on other projects.
No spoilers but you will probably end up loving Andrew!
No spoilers but you will probably end up loving Andrew!
That's kind of my point though...I didn't think the assumption made sense at the time either.
Oh well, I still love both shows.
Although that scene was much more fun to watch than the actual reunion would've been.
That one doesn't quite work, as you'll see when you get to season 7.
Although that is how the relationship began. I believe there's even a line of dialogue early on where Willow says something like, "It's not just women; it's her."
Though, yeah, eventually her sexuality seems to become more defined.
Not that Kennedy really gave her much choice!
^ That line is from season 7.
When Willow first gets together with Tara, it very much seems like she isn't homosexual, she's Tarasexual. Don't know anything established later that changes that, obviously.
@Janeway's Girl
How is that Zombie detective show from your avatar? You think I would like it?
@Janeway's Girl
How is that Zombie detective show from your avatar? You think I would like it?
I think you would enjoy it but finish Buffy first, and Angel if you're still watching.
Except that nothing in the show ever even hinted at the idea that her relationship with Oz (or her attraction to Xander) was driven by anything other than normal attraction.
Yes, plenty of people are really gay and not bi even though they had straight relationships in the past. But when that is the case, that typically means those past relationships were based on other factors/considerations and that really does not seem to be the case with Willow. Whatever word she chooses, the evidence points to the fact that she can be and sometimes is physically attracted to guys, albeit perhaps less often (maybe even far less often) than she is to girls. Someone mentioned the idea of her being 'Tarasexual', which obviously doesn't work in light of later episodes, but certainly at the very least she is still 'Ozsexual' (and probably 'Xandersexual', as well, although she eventually got over him).
Andrew finally comes out fully in the season 9 or 10 comics. everyone is... not startled. 
grendelsbayne, just because Willow had a crush on Xander and dated Oz does not mean that she is actually bisexual. At those times in her life she most likely thought that she was straight. But then Tara came along and awakened her true feelings.
By your logic, you are saying that every gay person who has dated someone of the opposite sex before realizing they were gay, is actually bisexual because of those past relationships. I'm sorry but I disagree with you. Willow stated throughout the later seasons that she is only attracted to women.
There are definitely bisexual people out there but Willow isn't one of them.
Forbin, good for him!
By your logic, you are saying that every gay person who has dated someone of the opposite sex before realizing they were gay, is actually bisexual because of those past relationships. I'm sorry but I disagree with you. Willow stated throughout the later seasons that she is only attracted to women.
There are definitely bisexual people out there but Willow isn't one of them.
Forbin, good for him!
Indeed. There is a difference between behavior and orientation. Your orientation is a function of what you feel, not who you actually have sex with. Lots of people, at various times, engage in behavior that's at odds with their basic sexual inclinations. Heterosexual people have same-sex interactions in environments where the opposite sex is unavailable, or out of curiosity/experimentation in college, say. Gay people have opposite-sex interactions because they assume it's normal or feel they have to conform to social mores. Bisexual people may choose to partner exclusively with one sex. Asexual people may engage in sex due to social pressure or a sense of obligation to a loved one. And of course non-asexual people may choose to abstain from sex due to taking religious orders -- or may abstain from sex unwillingly due to being unable to attract a partner. There are so, so very many ways for a disconnect to exist between sexual preference and sexual activity. So you really can't judge the former based on the latter.
All good points. You seem to be well-versed on the topic of sexuality. Good on you.
I've always thought it was pretty clear that Willow's relationship with Tarra simply made her realize she liked women more than men. There plenty of older married people with kids who realize later in life they are gay, so I've been bothered by her relationships with Oz and Xander.
Pretty much every relationship we've seen since Tara has been with women, and at least up to Season 7 we never saw her show interest in men when she was completely in control of herself.
Pretty much every relationship we've seen since Tara has been with women, and at least up to Season 7 we never saw her show interest in men when she was completely in control of herself.
Since Tara we've seen her with Kennedy in Season 7, and according to the wiki she also has a relationship with a Snake lady in another dimension named Aluwyn during season 8, and after they move to San Fransisco she dated a girl named Aura. I haven't read the comics with Aluwyn or Aura yet, so I don't know what those relationships were like. I'm thinking the relationship with Aura must not have lasted long because her wiki entry is very short and only lists one appearance and one mention.
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