On season 4 of Buffy...should I be watching Angel?
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Willow is starting to get straight up psychopathic with her magic use.
Why does it seem like everybody who ever gets brought back to life in the Buffyverse is somebody intimately familiar with Angel who really loves him and/or really hates him.
Why does it seem like everybody who ever gets brought back to life in the Buffyverse is somebody intimately familiar with Angel who really loves him and/or really hates him.
^ It's called addiction, and it isn't pretty.
Who are you referring to?
Buffy, Darla and Holtz.
I wouldn't lay all of Willow's recent behavior on just addiction. She's behaving like she feels she's superior to other people and entitled to manipulate them however she pleases.
I loved the scene where Buffy and Spike are making out while the house is collapsing, but it's odd they have this in the same episode they show us that if Spike lost his chip he'd still just go back to killing people.
Well, the thing is, Angel is the reason Darla was resurrected.
Holtz wasn't exactly dead, but the sentiment is the same.
And Buffy, well, Buffy is the main protagonist, same as Angel, so...
Holtz wasn't exactly dead, but the sentiment is the same.
And Buffy, well, Buffy is the main protagonist, same as Angel, so...
You do realize the show is called "Angel," right? Most stories are gonna be about him.
Buffy dated him. They were in love.
Darla is the one who turned him into a vampire. W&H brought her back to life specifically because of their deep past connection.
And Holtz...well, his story gets complicated. For now, let's just say he holds a grudge.
No need for flippancy.
Yeah, the show is about Angel, but not all threatening antagonists have a personal grudge or personal history with him. Every time somebody thought dead is revealed to be alive, the grudge is personal and specifically and only against him.
Yeah, the show is about Angel, but not all threatening antagonists have a personal grudge or personal history with him. Every time somebody thought dead is revealed to be alive, the grudge is personal and specifically and only against him.
You remind me of a friend of mine who believes that if you disagree with him it has to be because you don't understand what he is saying. I don't hold this little character flaw against him either.
Anyway, I have been "listening", I simply disagree with you at least with respect to the current discussion regarding Buffy's sexuality.
Buffy told Satsu after their little session that she enjoyed the experience. Satsu tells her that part of the reason is because Buffy was so open to everything Satsu did which is another indication of how much Buffy enjoyed herself.
At no point does Buffy tell Satsu that she was turned off by the experience or that she would never again have sex with a woman. According to the story, the only reason we're given that Buffy breaks off the relationship is because she can't return Satsu's feelings. The obvious indication is that if Buffy had had feelings for Satsu, the relationship may have continued.
The fact that Buffy never says that she'll never have sex with a woman again, coupled with the fact that she enjoyed the experience with Satsu leaves open the door for further romantic involvements with same sex. Further, Buffy never says she won't ever repeat the act.
Now, you're welcome to think that because we never saw Buffy romantically involved with a woman again, that this meant she was not bisexual. However I feel just as confidant in my belief that if the writers had chosen to put Buffy in another romance with a woman, they would not be writing her out of character.
You don't feel that enough evidence was presented in order to draw the conclusion that Buffy is bi. I think there was enough evidence presented.
For whatever reason, many fans just don't want to believe Buffy is bi. I don't have a problem with it.
JirinPanthosa, Buffy and Spike didn't just make out. The fact that it happened as the house was collapsing around them was a metaphor for their relationship: messy and destructive.
Another tidbit: music had to be added to the scene because Sarah was too noisy.
Another tidbit: music had to be added to the scene because Sarah was too noisy.
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She's a tiger, that one.
They were making out prior to the camera cutting away, unless it was one of those simultaneously burlesque and puritanical scenes where people somehow have sex through their clothes. Their clothes weren't off until they woke up next episode. They were clearly about to have sex but during the on screen portion it was just the preamble.
The episode with the magic drug den casts Willow's overuse of magic purely as addiction. Prior to that when Willow was erasing Tara's memory it seemed more like abuse than addiction.
The episode with the magic drug den casts Willow's overuse of magic purely as addiction. Prior to that when Willow was erasing Tara's memory it seemed more like abuse than addiction.
Either you watched the edited version or you had the sound down low. In Smashed you can clearly hear Buffy undoing Spike' s zipper and then see her lower herself "onto" him. Sure, they are still clothed, but they are quite clearly playing Xander' s game of "shiver me timber".
Hugo - mmm building shattering sex
And that's why the "magic drug den" episode is, IIRC, rather poorly regarded. It was kind of an oversimplified take on things.
Maybe she was thinking that James was really Freddy and that's why she was so into it?
Cordelia needs to learn to stop editing history.
...So in this episode, the girl was eaten by the demon. Cordelia said it was already taken care of but it was only taken care of in the alternate timeline. Whoops.
Don't know where they're going with the Holtz thing, the baby thing, or Cordelia's demonhood. Nice.
...So in this episode, the girl was eaten by the demon. Cordelia said it was already taken care of but it was only taken care of in the alternate timeline. Whoops.
Don't know where they're going with the Holtz thing, the baby thing, or Cordelia's demonhood. Nice.
Speaking of Cordelia and editing history, I'll start off by saying "The Wish" was one of the first episodes I saw of Buffy (happily not the first) and played a large role in getting me hooked on both series. I thought it was a great touch that the one person who really knows what happened gets killed halfway through the episode, a subversion of the whole "It's a Wonderful Life" trope. It's really quite fortunate she managed to convey as much information to Giles as she did, and I would say the only letdown of the episode (but also a humorous point) is that nobody's left with any idea how close they came to what would essentially be a worst-case scenario.
I wonder if at that point they ever planned to use Anya again.
It is pretty obvious when writers step outside their life experience. I've had a crappy low pay job. Buffy's is more like the ones you see on TV. I enjoyed the revelation that the meat was actually vegetables and also enjoyed Anya's passive aggressive friend's take on Xander.
It is pretty obvious when writers step outside their life experience. I've had a crappy low pay job. Buffy's is more like the ones you see on TV. I enjoyed the revelation that the meat was actually vegetables and also enjoyed Anya's passive aggressive friend's take on Xander.
Yeah. It's a good thing it wasn't a "Gary burger."
Are you talking about Halfreck?
Are you talking about Halfreck?
Down a dark road, bro. Very dark.
On another topic, one that I had been meaning to post mention; about the only part of Buffy that I consistently disliked was the music. Not the "score", I guess, but the songs we heard sometimes played by bands at the Bronz or just played as background.
The songs were just heinous to me. About the only one I could stand and it took several listenings, was the Michelle Branch song (Goodbye to You) she performed that was played over the heartbreaking Willow/Tara break-up scenes. BTW, she performed the same song in a Charmed episode.
The rest though, horrible, IMO. So ironic considering what an apparently great songwriter Joss was. But as for the music he liked, I just couldn't stand it.
I got thinking about this after binging Supernatural on Netflix this past summer. I thought the songs (and the way they used the songs) on that show was phenomenal.
Just my opinion.
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