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The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

This is what I was telling people today, I knew we weren't going to catch-up with Glenn this week.

I did really like Eastman and as I said earlier I really wish he could've been a newer character have around more long-term. But we know he'd just butt heads with Rick and everyone else in our group.

But, as I also said earlier, it's hard to get on his side -and now Morgan's- of "all life is precious" especially in a world where half the population has been turned into monsters trying to kill you and the other half into zombies (Hay-oooo!!!)

And such notion has always bothered me in a sense of "aren't plants life too? Aren't the bacteria used to grow taste in cheese life?" Pedantic, yes, but you shouldn't feel bad about ending a life if you intend to use it for your nourishment.

I understand not killing out of malice or sport, but killing in order to eat shouldn't be looked down on. Humans have canine teeth for a reason. But, whatever, that's my problem with the notion of vegetarianism. It's one thing, though, to do it out of 'health reasons' it's another because "all life is precious."

I do wonder how likely it is all of the walkers him came across had their wallets on them, this means they were killed when there was still a society (I doubt anyone now is walking around with their wallets and ID on them anymore) and further how many of them would still have their wallets on them in any useful form after being on their person and exposed to elements for several months to two years. And how did he ID the female walkers? Women don't exactly carry their IDs in a billfold in their pocket. I do like and "respect" the notion of him burying them; sort of like the funeral home Daryl and Beth found a couple seasons back where someone had apparently been embalming and burying the walkers.

But the "peace and life is precious" notion is one to have or support in this chaotic world. Eastman was isolated from the horrors of everything that was going on; his approach isn't something that's really rational to have against someone trying to kill you. Yeah, don't kill unless you have to -like Morgan did when ambushing the two guys in the middle of the woods; and didn't do with the couple who gave him the can of food and bullet- but if you're dealing with people, or a group of people, running through a town killing people randomly and without any real sense of purpose; dammit man you take action and kill! Not let them live so that they can, I dunno, ambush a friend in an RV and nearly kill *him.*
 
By the way did anyone else think that the make-up for the Wolf Morgan captured was more disgusting than some of the Walkers? ;)
 
By the way did anyone else think that the make-up for the Wolf Morgan captured was more disgusting than some of the Walkers? ;)
There are going to be a lot of people with toothaches and cavities a few years into any sort of zombie apocalypse.
 
Well, this was certainly a gripping episode. It was just fascinating to watch Morgan's journey from complete insanity to normal to beginning the road to inner peace. I was pretty surprised when it was revealed that Eastman actually killed his family's murderer (definitely a Kodak moment). What a shame that Eastman had to die. And now we find out that Morgan's captive Wolf has been bitten. And he said "if I die." It seems that he's had the bite for a while-- I wonder if we'll start running into people who are immune to the virus.
 
I thought it was just a wound he got somehow else and it got infected with normal crap and that's why he needed antibiotics.
 
It looked like a knife slash or similar to me. Infected now, I suppose. Ends the same if it's not treated.
 
Well, this was certainly a gripping episode. It was just fascinating to watch Morgan's journey from complete insanity to normal to beginning the road to inner peace. I was pretty surprised when it was revealed that Eastman actually killed his family's murderer (definitely a Kodak moment). What a shame that Eastman had to die. And now we find out that Morgan's captive Wolf has been bitten. And he said "if I die." It seems that he's had the bite for a while-- I wonder if we'll start running into people who are immune to the virus.

Was that a bite though or just an ordinary wound that has gotten infected. He said he was looking for medicine. If it had been a bite, he should have turned a long time ago. Anyway, I guess that solves the debate about trying to question the prisoner from last week. ;) It wouldn't have done any good anyway.

I agree that this episode was really well done. This is easily one of the best episodes of the series for me. A great character piece and pretty gripping thanks in large part to the actors and the direction. This episode could easily be a stand alone theatrical piece with only a few lines of explanatory dialogue.

As for those surprised that we didn't see Glenn's fate, it doesn't seem like they've been watching the series. Since the prison we have had a regular stream of alternating episodes when the group has been split up. It really has become the style of the later seasons of the show. I am betting that this episode was strategically placed, not just to maintain the tension in the other stories but because Morgan's new philosophy will be important the next time we see him.
 
Truth be told, I too have short attention span. Didn't prevent me from enjoying the show though.
 
because Morgan's new philosophy will be important the next time we see him.

Morgan sees himself in the wolf. Consumed by madness and "clearing" whatever is in his path. He thinks these people are lost in the same trauma and can be saved but I think he's kidding himself.

Eastman's philosophy is flawed. "All life is precious." Well correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that include suicide? Either you contradict your beliefs by killing yourself or... Eastman didn't kill himself.

Hell, he might not have even been bitten. How reliable a narrator is Morgan anyway?
 
Anyway, I guess that solves the debate about trying to question the prisoner from last week. ;) It wouldn't have done any good anyway.
...and now that's two Wolves who offered nothing--aside from gibberish (the executed wolf) and direct threats (Morgan's wolf). Even if Morgan's wolf has a "sudden" change of heart, and offers something, that would not only be uncharacteristic of what has been established about the Wolves, but would be too quick a change--indicating diversion or trap.

Call Judge Peletier.

I agree that this episode was really well done. This is easily one of the best episodes of the series for me. A great character piece and pretty gripping thanks in large part to the actors and the direction
Agreed.

As for those surprised that we didn't see Glenn's fate, it doesn't seem like they've been watching the series. Since the prison we have had a regular stream of alternating episodes when the group has been split up. It really has become the style of the later seasons of the show. I am betting that this episode was strategically placed, not just to maintain the tension in the other stories but because Morgan's new philosophy will be important the next time we see him.
....as in deciding how to deal with Glenn if he's suffered bites?
 
Probably the best episode since "The Groves." Excellent writing and acting, and a nice change of pace and time for discussion.

Actually, what I was thinking partway through the episode is this reminded me a whole lot of the Telltale Games Walking Dead, some of the long conversations you can get into there, the mood, etc. Never a bad association.

Now we see where Morgan's philosophy comes from, let's see if he can influence Rick's group, provide a counterpoint to the more bloodthirsty attitudes and work to rebuild society. An important point I think Eastman made, and needed to be made, is "I will not allow you to kill me" - 'all life is precious' includes preventing others from taking your own life.

"All life is precious." Well correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that include suicide? Either you contradict your beliefs by killing yourself or... Eastman didn't kill himself.

He's dead regardless, so the precious life has already been lost; thus no contradiction in preventing suffering.
 
A little late with this one but a friend of mine suggested that instead of Daryl and his motorcycle and another car leading the "great zombie drive", they should have used an ice cream truck. Cause what could be funnier than ten thousand zombies following a truck playing a canned version of the theme from "The Sting"?
 
I just thought the episode would have worked better if at any point throughout I thought "wow, Morgan and his Kung Fu Master actually have a point. Maybe they're right. Yeah, actually Rick and co have been going about this all wrong the last five years. These guys have cracked it."

Instead I just thought this was all nonsense. Morgan let the Wolves go the other week because "all life is precious"... and they just ran straight to sneak up on Rick and nearly killed him. Morgan tells his long tale to the Wolf boy who basically says "hey cool story bro. But I don't care and I'm gonna kill you all anyway."

Morgan was annoying me in episode 1 & 2 this season, now he's even worse than Father Gabriel in annoyance terms for me.
 
Probably the best episode since "The Groves." Excellent writing and acting, and a nice change of pace and time for discussion.

Good comparison--and both episodes were eye opening and tragic.

"All life is precious." Well correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that include suicide? Either you contradict your beliefs by killing yourself or... Eastman didn't kill himself.

He's dead regardless, so the precious life has already been lost; thus no contradiction in preventing suffering.

Right.

A little late with this one but a friend of mine suggested that instead of Daryl and his motorcycle and another car leading the "great zombie drive", they should have used an ice cream truck. Cause what could be funnier than ten thousand zombies following a truck playing a canned version of the theme from "The Sting"?

:lol: ...and it would work!
 
He's dead regardless, so the precious life has already been lost; thus no contradiction in preventing suffering.

He's not dead; he's ill.

All life is precious... except for those who are suffering so euthanasia is acceptable in certain circumstances.

Not as catchy.

The whole philosophy is nonsense. I'm still not convinced Morgan is a reliable narrator (especially considering his audience).
 
He's dead regardless, so the precious life has already been lost; thus no contradiction in preventing suffering.

He's not dead; he's ill.

It might've been during TD but I'm pretty sure I saw Morgan walking away from Eastman's graveyard where a new grave had a cross that said "Eastman" on it.

I looked back, its hard to see because of the sun position but it does say Eastman.
 
Yeah, I'm saying he was ill (infected) before he killed himself. But he still "killed" himself.

I'm also not sure about that grave. As I said earlier, why would Morgan bury him among all the other strangers. Surely you'd bury him closer to the house. In the garden?

Did Morgan walk past it unaware it was there?

Why didn't the guy Eastman starved turn?

I just think there might be more to come regarding Eastman.
 
Yeah, I'm saying he was ill (infected) before he killed himself. But he still "killed" himself.

Did they show how he ultimately died? If so, I didn't see it. Or are you saying taking the hit for Morgan was killing himself?

I'm also not sure about that grave. As I said earlier, why would Morgan bury him among all the other strangers. Surely you'd bury him closer to the house. In the garden?

Eh, I'm not sure Morgan would care about that.

Did Morgan walk past it unaware it was there?

Presumably he'd said his goodbyes.

Why didn't the guy Eastman starved turn?

That had happened months before the ZA. He decided to turn himself in and that was right when the outbreak happened.

I just think there might be more to come regarding Eastman.

He was listed as dead in TD.
 
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