The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

[RJDiogenes]

^^ I liked that homage to the history of ZA fiction. It shows they have respect for their source material even as they do something different with it.

I like Z Nation a lot. It's the psychotronic, EC Comic, drug-addled, bastard cousin of Walking Dead. Totally off the wall.

That's pretty good. Haven't seen psychotronic in a while.

It's one of my favorite words.

 

[theenglish]

Oh, that was something interesting on Z Nation this week. They made it clear that all of the zombie fiction we are familiar with exists in that universe.

Makes you wonder how a society so forewarned like that fell.

Because we would do so well!

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

At this point, I think they've recycled stuff enough and need to come up with a new direction for season seven. Some answers regarding the virus would be nice. I think they have to look down that road eventually.

Agreed. Darabont set the logical course for that in the season 1 finale, but it's beyond lazy and/or unrealistic to have characters (or another group, organization) to use their resources to put an end to the zombie plague. By that, I mean real researchers, not the crap Milton was trying.

Why? I mean... why not plan for the future without that "hope"? As it stands, there's really no reason society can't be rebuilt. When people die, if their brains aren't destroyed, they turn.

Ok then - standard morgue/EMT practice becomes that you knife the dead person's skull. Heck, make it part of funerary rituals. Easy peasy once you've rid the world of the hordes.

People will have to be more vigilant about bodies and keep an eye out for people dying alone, but really a single walker isn't a big deal.

While that is the right way to go, there's the hope of actually finding the treatment or cure. Successfully managing zombie populations (in the general area around you) would allow the time to not only rebuild, but assemble as many resources necessary to work toward a solution.

 

[shapeshifter]

What happened to the Z-Nation thread for season 2, was one ever even started? 'Cuz yeah, great episodes happening with that one, to. I liked the homages to IZombie by Murphy having visions.

Rough week for me. First Glenn on WD, (say it isn't so!) then Woo on Survivor. My favorites are dropping like flies.

 

[Trekker4747]

^^ I liked that homage to the history of ZA fiction. It shows they have respect for their source material even as they do something different with it.

I like Z Nation a lot. It's the psychotronic, EC Comic, drug-addled, bastard cousin of Walking Dead. Totally off the wall.

That's pretty good. Haven't seen psychotronic in a while.

It's one of my favorite words.

"Respect for source material" would be no zombie fiction as in most ZF that's one of the conceits of it, it keeps the characters in the dark and filled with unknowns.

 

[publiusr]

^I'm kinda hoping that's the case. Maybe he rolled under the dumpster and managed to get under the fence? Maybe?

Some dumpsters do have wheels. Get under it like you do a tank maybe? Only so many walkers can get at you at any one time. out of sight, out of mind

You are guilty of Meta-posting. That's posting about a topic and trying to use real-world logic to explain it rather than using in-universe logic..

No--TV series lose, because producers are selling it to a real world audience, not the characters. The audience has to believe in the characters and situations. This is the reason why in the same season (3) where Glenn--bound to a chair--wasted no time in breaking free to kill the walker sent after him. However, at the very end of that same season, Andrea (with a galaxy's worth of experience with dying people / walkers) stopped to get into a misty conversation with the very mortally wounded Milton, instead of racing to break her handcuffs.

It may not have occured to her to smash the chair.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"Respect for source material" would be no zombie fiction as in most ZF that's one of the conceits of it, it keeps the characters in the dark and filled with unknowns.

Return of the Living Dead was inventive enough to acknowledge Night of the Living Dead, and the method of killing zombies, but its own zombies did not respond to that. So, you can reference other zombie movies, and still create something new to film.

It may not have occured to her to smash the chair.

What did not occur to her is the need to stop talking to Milton, and work faster. She's as responsible for her own death as the Governor.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Morgan is so fascinating and tragic a character that he carried this episode without any sense of time. Interesting point of transformation (or a kind) when Morgan's spear was returned without the point. Obviously the meaning is that he does not need to kill.

Eastman's story about the killer--and his own fate must be moments of the season, no matter what happens in coming episodes.

Back to the Wolves: the captured wolf saying, "but that was before you people won" and threatening to kill everyone--children, too (if he survives) forever proved that's the wolf belief. No redemption--the very reason Carol was right in executing that captured member, and why Morgan keeping that wolf alive is a grave mistake.

...and no, there was no valuable information to be gained from him.

From the preview, it seems Maggie is going on a search. I wonder if that will end up being the mid-season finale?

Now, i'm wondering how this flashback experience will

 

[Commander Richard]

A pretty decent episode. I was waiting for the big twist with Eastman but there was none. That was the surprise. It was just a good story. Student meets kung fu master.

Does Eastman fight with a giant pretzel stick?

 

[sojourner]

Great episode. I've always liked the actor that played Eastman. He did a great job here.

 

[Trekker4747]

Morgan is so fascinating and tragic a character that he carried this episode without any sense of time. Interesting point of transformation (or a kind) when Morgan's spear was returned without the point. Obviously the meaning is that he does not need to kill.

Eastman's story about the killer--and his own fate must be moments of the season, no matter what happens in coming episodes.

Back to the Wolves: the captured wolf saying, "but that was before you people won" and threatening to kill everyone--children, too (if he survives) forever proved that's the wolf belief. No redemption--the very reason Carol was right in executing that captured member, and why Morgan keeping that wolf alive is a grave mistake.

...and no, there was no valuable information to be gained from him.

From the preview, it seems Maggie is going on a search. I wonder if that will end up being the mid-season finale?

Now, i'm wondering how this flashback experience will

Mid-season finale would be episode 8 given that's, you know, the middle of the season.

Sort of interesting episode, if slow after the last two and not sure it's one that called for the extended length. I honestly found Eastman to be a vastly more intersting character than Morgan and I'm not sure what we're supposed to take from this since in this world not every life is precious, especially when you have people actively trying to kill you. And, well, I just plain don't respect the notion of "all life is precious" when it extends to eating animals for food.

You can respect that life and appreciate its sacrifice for the sake of you getting food.

But protecting all human life in this world is reckless and will only end in suffering, as our main characters have learned plenty of times.

Was that Rick yelling at the gate at the end?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Morgan is so fascinating and tragic a character that he carried this episode without any sense of time. Interesting point of transformation (or a kind) when Morgan's spear was returned without the point. Obviously the meaning is that he does not need to kill.

Eastman's story about the killer--and his own fate must be moments of the season, no matter what happens in coming episodes.

Back to the Wolves: the captured wolf saying, "but that was before you people won" and threatening to kill everyone--children, too (if he survives) forever proved that's the wolf belief. No redemption--the very reason Carol was right in executing that captured member, and why Morgan keeping that wolf alive is a grave mistake.

...and no, there was no valuable information to be gained from him.

From the preview, it seems Maggie is going on a search. I wonder if that will end up being the mid-season finale?

Now, i'm wondering how this flashback experience will

Mid-season finale would be episode 8 given that's, you know, the middle of the season.

You misunderstand. I mean if Maggie goes on a search, her answers will be revealed in the mid season finale (airing November 29th), since the Glenn matter is such a carrot to keep people chasing theories. I did not say the mid season final was the next episode.

Sort of interesting episode, if slow after the last two and not sure it's one that called for the extended length. I honestly found Eastman to be a vastly more intersting character than Morgan and I'm not sure what we're supposed to take from this since in this world not every life is precious, especially when you have people actively trying to kill you.

Morgan's transformation needed pacing. He was so out of his mind / grief stricken in "Clear," that no one would believe his turn to peaceful Morgan happened overnight.

But protecting all human life in this world is reckless and will only end in suffering, as our main characters have learned plenty of times.

Carol thanks you for signing on.

Was that Rick yelling at the gate at the end?

Not sure about Rick being there, but something else of interest: in the preview, it seems another child is attacking Carl. Probably one of Jessie's kids.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I really liked the episode -- and appreciate that the original "zen master" seemed like a normal guy, with some thoughts on living a better life...it's Morgan who made himself more "zen" & butt-kicker.

However, I REALLY hope people don't die due to the Wolf being alive. (Rather, the Wolf get s proactively killed, and that makes Morgan choose to leave the group

 

[Commander Richard]

Okay, I'll admit it... Just like Hardwick, I thought that Eastman might turn out to be the psychopathic killer who took the real guy's place.

 

[Trekker4747]

Carol thanks you for signing on.

I've no problem with the notion of killing people, but it's not the only solution in all situations.

 

[Borgminister]

Okay, I'll admit it... Just like Hardwick, I thought that Eastman might turn out to be the psychopathic killer who took the real guy's place.

That had crossed my mind. I liked the other ending better.

Really, really nice "character piece".

 

[RJDiogenes]

^^ I liked that homage to the history of ZA fiction. It shows they have respect for their source material even as they do something different with it.

That's pretty good. Haven't seen psychotronic in a while.

It's one of my favorite words.

"Respect for source material" would be no zombie fiction as in most ZF that's one of the conceits of it, it keeps the characters in the dark and filled with unknowns.

Most, but not all. There are any number of works that don't labor under that conceit. It's just a convention that developed along the way, because the very original source material, Romero's works, invented the Zombie Apocalypse, and so naturally there was no ZA fiction in that context.

 

[Silvercrest]

Okay, I'll admit it... Just like Hardwick, I thought that Eastman might turn out to be the psychopathic killer who took the real guy's place.

Wow. I didn't see TD and that theory never occurred to me. Glad it didn't pan out.

I agree; this was an excellent character piece.

 

[davejames]

Fantastic episode. Like most I wasn't really crazy about the new Morgan either and thought his refusal to kill came across a bit forced and strange, but this episode did a brilliant job of not only making that change seem totally plausible, but actually kind of noble and beautiful. And by the end it actually made me love the Morgan character more than ever.

Yeah obviously such a worldview can lead to some unintended consequences, but as the actor said on Talking Dead, Rick's way of doing things has certainly resulted in a lot of people dying as well over the years.

 

[Beagleman]

Probably one of my favourite episodes of the show...