Jennifer Lien In Legal Trouble Again
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What I know, her husband and kid still lives in the LA area.
As for how people in those circles "care", I can tell a little story about the rock musician Eddie Hardin (who sadly passed away earlier this year). He was once a member of the Spencer Davis Group, replacing the more famous Steve Winwood as the keyboard player and singer in that band.
He has written a very good book about his life in a book called "ALAB" (Ain't life a b**ch) which I really recommend.
Anyway, during a tour with the SDG in the US, he met a nice girl who happened to be a friend of another younger girl named Lorna Luft. One day this Lorna suggested that she, her friend and Eddie should visit her mother.
The mother lived in a not so nice part of NY, she did seem a bit worn out and had a fridge full of gin bottles. However, she was nice and friendly and had a surprising knowledge of the music business. After a while, Eddie found out that the old woman was actually Judy Garland who had been a well-known singer and actress about a decade earlier but now living in poverty and alcohol abuse.
Some days later Judy Garland took the company, including Mr. Hardin out to an expensive restaurant. She hadn't enough money to pay for the dinner but instead stood up and did sing a couple of songs for the customers, with the approval of the owner of the restaurant and she did show that despite all the trouble, she still could sing.
A few years later, Judy Garlad died.
She was so poor that there were no money for the funeral until Frank Sinatra stepped in and decided to pay for the funeral.
And there, at the funeral they were! All of Judy Garland's former "friends" and "colleagues" who totaly had abandoned her for years and who hadn't cared a s**t if she was dead or alive. Now they showed up, crying crocodile tears over their dead "friend" in front of the cameras, stating to everyone who wanted to listen what a good friend Judy Garland had been and how they had helped her and been so supportive during all those years.
Mr. Hardin was deeply disgusted by this and so was I when I read his book.
That's how the movie and entertainment world "cares".
I guess it will be the same in this sad case.
Lovely.
I feel awful for her too. I never liked Kes, but I always thought Jennifer Lien sounded like a cool person. I admired the fact that she took a break from acting to go to med school, and I loved her as Vitani in "Lion King II: Simba's Pride."
Obviously I don't know the woman, but it sounds for all the world like she has a life-long mental illness (I'm thinking bipolar disorder). I know drug use is also brought up, so it could be that instead, or both.
I'm thinking back to an interview where Robert Picard described how she was on the set, saying she was very eccentric and "you never knew what she was going to say," and that one problem she had was never offering suggestions for her character to the writers. Now on the "Star Trek" FaceBook groups, there are people who have seen her at conventions, saying she was very "spacey" and just not all there.
If this is the case then maybe her disorder and/or drug use contributed to her powerful onscreen presence. Kes's mystified, "spacey" expression was very well-played...but now I wonder how much of it was acting. I'm thinking of my favorite actor, Peter Lorre, whose eccentric performances were due in no small part to his morphine addiction.
I hope Lien is able to turn her life around. Or that her life is not so bad, and these instances with the law and spacing out at cons are just occasional occurrences in an otherwise okay life. She looks awful in this recent mug-shot, but other recent photos where her hair is longer show a very pretty middle-aged woman who IMO has aged well, not sinking to plastic surgery like so many other actors and actresses.
Obviously I don't know the woman, but it sounds for all the world like she has a life-long mental illness (I'm thinking bipolar disorder). I know drug use is also brought up, so it could be that instead, or both.
I'm thinking back to an interview where Robert Picard described how she was on the set, saying she was very eccentric and "you never knew what she was going to say," and that one problem she had was never offering suggestions for her character to the writers. Now on the "Star Trek" FaceBook groups, there are people who have seen her at conventions, saying she was very "spacey" and just not all there.
If this is the case then maybe her disorder and/or drug use contributed to her powerful onscreen presence. Kes's mystified, "spacey" expression was very well-played...but now I wonder how much of it was acting. I'm thinking of my favorite actor, Peter Lorre, whose eccentric performances were due in no small part to his morphine addiction.
I hope Lien is able to turn her life around. Or that her life is not so bad, and these instances with the law and spacing out at cons are just occasional occurrences in an otherwise okay life. She looks awful in this recent mug-shot, but other recent photos where her hair is longer show a very pretty middle-aged woman who IMO has aged well, not sinking to plastic surgery like so many other actors and actresses.
She looks awful. What she did was out of order.
What I know, her husband and kid still lives in the LA area.
As for how people in those circles "care", I can tell a little story about the rock musician Eddie Hardin (who sadly passed away earlier this year). He was once a member of the Spencer Davis Group, replacing the more famous Steve Winwood as the keyboard player and singer in that band.
He has written a very good book about his life in a book called "ALAB" (Ain't life a b**ch) which I really recommend.
Anyway, during a tour with the SDG in the US, he met a nice girl who happened to be a friend of another younger girl named Lorna Luft. One day this Lorna suggested that she, her friend and Eddie should visit her mother.
The mother lived in a not so nice part of NY, she did seem a bit worn out and had a fridge full of gin bottles. However, she was nice and friendly and had a surprising knowledge of the music business. After a while, Eddie found out that the old woman was actually Judy Garland who had been a well-known singer and actress about a decade earlier but now living in poverty and alcohol abuse.
Some days later Judy Garland took the company, including Mr. Hardin out to an expensive restaurant. She hadn't enough money to pay for the dinner but instead stood up and did sing a couple of songs for the customers, with the approval of the owner of the restaurant and she did show that despite all the trouble, she still could sing.
A few years later, Judy Garlad died.
She was so poor that there were no money for the funeral until Frank Sinatra stepped in and decided to pay for the funeral.
And there, at the funeral they were! All of Judy Garland's former "friends" and "colleagues" who totaly had abandoned her for years and who hadn't cared a s**t if she was dead or alive. Now they showed up, crying crocodile tears over their dead "friend" in front of the cameras, stating to everyone who wanted to listen what a good friend Judy Garland had been and how they had helped her and been so supportive during all those years.
Mr. Hardin was deeply disgusted by this and so was I when I read his book.
That's how the movie and entertainment world "cares".
I guess it will be the same in this sad case.
That's a depressing story! BUT I kind of question the last part. With Garland being an alcoholic, isn't it possible that her friends really did try to help her, and only gave up after she refused to accept help for her problems?
What I know, her husband and kid still lives in the LA area.
As for how people in those circles "care", I can tell a little story about the rock musician Eddie Hardin (who sadly passed away earlier this year). He was once a member of the Spencer Davis Group, replacing the more famous Steve Winwood as the keyboard player and singer in that band.
He has written a very good book about his life in a book called "ALAB" (Ain't life a b**ch) which I really recommend.
Anyway, during a tour with the SDG in the US, he met a nice girl who happened to be a friend of another younger girl named Lorna Luft. One day this Lorna suggested that she, her friend and Eddie should visit her mother.
The mother lived in a not so nice part of NY, she did seem a bit worn out and had a fridge full of gin bottles. However, she was nice and friendly and had a surprising knowledge of the music business. After a while, Eddie found out that the old woman was actually Judy Garland who had been a well-known singer and actress about a decade earlier but now living in poverty and alcohol abuse.
Some days later Judy Garland took the company, including Mr. Hardin out to an expensive restaurant. She hadn't enough money to pay for the dinner but instead stood up and did sing a couple of songs for the customers, with the approval of the owner of the restaurant and she did show that despite all the trouble, she still could sing.
A few years later, Judy Garlad died.
She was so poor that there were no money for the funeral until Frank Sinatra stepped in and decided to pay for the funeral.
And there, at the funeral they were! All of Judy Garland's former "friends" and "colleagues" who totaly had abandoned her for years and who hadn't cared a s**t if she was dead or alive. Now they showed up, crying crocodile tears over their dead "friend" in front of the cameras, stating to everyone who wanted to listen what a good friend Judy Garland had been and how they had helped her and been so supportive during all those years.
Mr. Hardin was deeply disgusted by this and so was I when I read his book.
That's how the movie and entertainment world "cares".
I guess it will be the same in this sad case.
Well I wasn't talking about Jennifer's old co workers.....but instead close family and friends. In Judy garlands case it should have been the family that stepped in not former co workers who had their own private lives and family to tend to. I'm sure Mickey rooney was concerned but he was married with his own family. How many of us really take the time to help co workers we haven't worked with or barely seen in 15 years. I'm guessing none unless you are very good friends with them post work....
Ihno, I think you're right in that there are more possibilities for ending an acting career. Not knowing the actress very well, in addition to your suggestions, I would add more:
These actors had to audition for Voyager - multiple times over the course of months. (For example, Garret Wang - 5 times over 2.5 months). For most actors, you don't really get offers, you go out and find roles. It's a profession that is there whenever you want it. You don't wait for it to come to you. I have no doubt but that ANYONE who wants to be an actor can become one. It's just when you are bigger the projects tend to be made around you. For most actors, you either go out or you stay home. It is very much a choice, regardless of "offers."
For perspective, I was in a couple (big) TV commercials, filmed at real studios with real crew for major companies and major markets. I chose to keep my regular job over the "on call" part time nature of acting work. If I want to act - I pick up the phone and call my agent. She calls me from time to time with an offer, but so far, I'm just not doing them. Am I a failed actor? Ok if you like, but I think not.
Acting is like...well it's like going to the movies. You go when you want, and you stay home when you want. You don't get the choice roles, but there's plenty of work out there for those who want to work - part time. Full time is another issue even the bigger names deal with. Staking your babies' security on an on/off career - it's very understandable why some choose to explore other options. Nutrition is just such an option - very employable and with a degree of control and wholesomeness.
I have no problem taking at face value if someone "wants" to be an actor or not. The profession is an uneven one. Look at any actor's bio on IMDB and you can see - even big names are just hopping from rock to rock. I don't blame anyone - or attribute any sort of "competence factor" - for seeking a more regular livelihood.
In addition - females have the added factor of child rearing - a choice which males can easily ignore or trivialize. Yeah, it's just a new life - it's no episode of Captain Proton!
Star Trek actors have lots of paying gigs - not only conventions, but appearances, cruises, books, speaking events - but most of them depend upon having an affinity for public speaking and personal "emcee" qualities. Lien, probably an introvert, may not thrive in such an environment. Relying on drugs to get through them (not saying anyone has) only exacerbates the anxiety. You may calm your nerves but you lose image control. (Here hypnosis might be a better strategy).
I think it's not too late for her to get some image management and rescue her career. Get some public relations coaching and hypnotherapy to manage any convention anxiety (and any addiction symptom easing). Trek fandom will embrace her and let her feel appreciated, I think.
If there are other issues somehow keeping her from the Trek world, she has every right to move on with her life. Regardless of the show politics involved, she has made an appreciable contribution to the culture and the fans can and do appreciate her addition to the show from the story POV. (And the other cast and crew, too, and ok, the sponsors too, I guess).
What I know, her husband and kid still lives in the LA area.
As for how people in those circles "care", I can tell a little story about the rock musician Eddie Hardin (who sadly passed away earlier this year). He was once a member of the Spencer Davis Group, replacing the more famous Steve Winwood as the keyboard player and singer in that band.
He has written a very good book about his life in a book called "ALAB" (Ain't life a b**ch) which I really recommend.
Anyway, during a tour with the SDG in the US, he met a nice girl who happened to be a friend of another younger girl named Lorna Luft. One day this Lorna suggested that she, her friend and Eddie should visit her mother.
The mother lived in a not so nice part of NY, she did seem a bit worn out and had a fridge full of gin bottles. However, she was nice and friendly and had a surprising knowledge of the music business. After a while, Eddie found out that the old woman was actually Judy Garland who had been a well-known singer and actress about a decade earlier but now living in poverty and alcohol abuse.
Some days later Judy Garland took the company, including Mr. Hardin out to an expensive restaurant. She hadn't enough money to pay for the dinner but instead stood up and did sing a couple of songs for the customers, with the approval of the owner of the restaurant and she did show that despite all the trouble, she still could sing.
A few years later, Judy Garlad died.
She was so poor that there were no money for the funeral until Frank Sinatra stepped in and decided to pay for the funeral.
And there, at the funeral they were! All of Judy Garland's former "friends" and "colleagues" who totaly had abandoned her for years and who hadn't cared a s**t if she was dead or alive. Now they showed up, crying crocodile tears over their dead "friend" in front of the cameras, stating to everyone who wanted to listen what a good friend Judy Garland had been and how they had helped her and been so supportive during all those years.
Mr. Hardin was deeply disgusted by this and so was I when I read his book.
That's how the movie and entertainment world "cares".
I guess it will be the same in this sad case.
Well I wasn't talking about Jennifer's old co workers.....but instead close family and friends. In Judy garlands case it should have been the family that stepped in not former co workers who had their own private lives and family to tend to. I'm sure Mickey rooney was concerned but he was married with his own family. How many of us really take the time to help co workers we haven't worked with or barely seen in 15 years. I'm guessing none unless you are very good friends with them post work....
I admit that the Judy Garland case and her "wonderful friends" at the funeral was a bit off the target but I coldn't help seeing some similarities here.
As for close friends and family, someone told me once that her mother did seem a bit over-bearing at a convention a couple of years ago so I don't know if there's any help from family and close friends to expect either.
WarpTenLizard wrote:
Picardo should know better than to come up with insinuations abut people he works with and concentrate on what he's doing best, advance from B-character to main character in a few years (Star Trek Voyager, Stargate Atlantis). As for "spacey behavior, that doesn't have to include drug abuse in any way. However, I share your concern and hope that she will get her life in order someday.
This is her son from May this year. The short film (fanfilm) was directed/produced by the husband.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1na5hLBXb4[/yt]
@Guy Gardener: OMG, that kid looks soo much like his mum.
Thanks for that video.
So Dad and Kid live in LA and Mom in Tennessee?
@Kor: Well, in this case the "outrageous behaviour" is not really an atrocity. She showed her ass to her husband or something and some kids may have seen it.
Outside the USA you don't go to prison for that.
Thanks for that video.
So Dad and Kid live in LA and Mom in Tennessee?
@Kor: Well, in this case the "outrageous behaviour" is not really an atrocity. She showed her ass to her husband or something and some kids may have seen it.
Outside the USA you don't go to prison for that.
If the kid had (relatively) just left with dad, it does explain why she would tell the Neighbour lady to shut up her screaming baby.
My heart goes out to Ms. Lien. Kess was one of my favorite trek characters, especially after her she developed into sort of a Jean Gray. She obviously has some serious psychological issues. I barely recognized her from the mugshots. Perhaps this might be an opportunity for her to reach out for help.
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Looks more like drugs, not mental health going by this pic.
I'd probably have a few benders if my claim to fame was being on Star Trek Voyager.
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Looks more like drugs, not mental health going by this pic.
I'd probably have a few benders if my claim to fame was being on Star Trek Voyager.
Honestly, the picture to the left almost broke my heart because she looks exactly like a woman with severe alcohol problems who lived in my heighborhood when I was a kid.
She looks better on the profile picture, except for the horrible harircut.
So tragic.
Note that I'm not defending her behavior in any way. I just find the whole thing tragic.
As a matter of fact, I worked in the music business for a while and I saw people wasting their talents and wating their lives and it made me sad every time it happened.
Not to mention that I really liked her acting skills and the character Kes.
it'll be hard and difficult to watch Voyager after this.
Not a surprise at all, the rumours were out there when she left Voyager, one of the reasons she was picked for the chop versus other cast that could have gone. These rumours then when into overdrive when she appeared in season 6.
