Axanar dropped a plot spoiler about a month ago

[Harvey]

Outside of the comments section, I'm not seeing the hostility. Peters and Burnett should probably stop any and all direct fan interaction outside of their official social media channels, though. Neither take criticism very well, and by participating in the mudslinging (deserved or not) they come off as petty and amateurish -- just about the opposite of their stated goals.

 

[fireproof78]

Outside of the comments section, I'm not seeing the hostility. Peters and Burnett should probably stop any and all direct fan interaction outside of their official social media channels, though. Neither take criticism very well, and by participating in the mudslinging (deserved or not) they come off as petty and amateurish -- just about the opposite of their stated goals.

Yeah, I have to agree on this point. The only hostility I picked up on was the more defensive reaction of Peters and Burnett. CBS was just the typical PR line, which is factually true.

All that said, I think with the claims that Axanar is making that a greater level of scrutiny should be expected. I wish no ill will towards this production and hope they do well. But the bar they have set for themselves is quite substantial.

Interesting to watch it all play out.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

With the exploding budget, people have a legitimate reason to want a better explanation than what this team has given, and when pressed for,details, they get all defensive....

 

[Ithekro]

Details? They have provided line items of expenses so far.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Details? They have provided line items of expenses so far.

http://www.axanarproductions.com/axanar-annual-report/

Lets look at one of those line items.....

$ 182,000 Sound Stage building rental (12 months & deposit 1/15 – 2/16

They paid $182K on a sound stage, that, they haven't shot in, and won't shoot in, until January of 2016, one month before they have to start paying rent again. You realize, that 182K of the 500K they just raised is gonna have to be paid towards another years rent, before they start filming, (Or shortly thereafter)

Yes, they gave us line item descriptions on what money has been spent, but renting a studio for an ENTIRE year, before you film, demonstrates a clear and patented lack of fiscal discipline. You wanna make an independent feature on a shoestring budget you need fiscal discipline.

There are FOUR standing TOS era bridge sets in the US... I am sure, ONE of them would have let the Axanar Team redress the bridge for their purposes to make Axanar, and it would have cost SIGNIFICANTLY less money, AND Axanar could have paid rent, helping other fan productions out in the process.

The Axanar budget blew up, because people don't have fiscal discipline, and quite frankly, I don't see this film ever getting completed because of it.

 

[BillJ]

The Axanar budget blew up, because people don't have fiscal discipline, and quite frankly, I don't see this film ever getting completed because of it.

I don't know whether it will ever be completed or not. But I don't think the end product will look like a $100 million dollar movie.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

The Axanar budget blew up, because people don't have fiscal discipline, and quite frankly, I don't see this film ever getting completed because of it.

I don't know whether it will ever be completed or not. But I don't think the end product will look like a $100 million dollar movie.

Well the once scene shot and released for Axanar has the appearance of not quite Berman era trek... No where close to a $100,000,000.00 movie....

 

[lurok]

They paid $182K on a sound stage, that, they haven't shot in, and won't shoot in, until January of 2016, one month before they have to start paying rent again.

Isn't that the soundstage they've been building the bridge set in?

Which, admittedly, seems to be taking an inordinately long time to construct. Someone needs to pull their finger out

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

They paid $182K on a sound stage, that, they haven't shot in, and won't shoot in, until January of 2016, one month before they have to start paying rent again.

Isn't that the soundstage they've been building the bridge set in?

Which, admittedly, seems to be taking an inordinately long time to construct. Someone needs to pull their finger out

They have laid a floor, built a big door, and constructed about 1/2 of the bridge..... Yes, Work has been done in their facility, enough work to justify 12 months of rent at 180k?

 

[Phantom]

The Axanar budget blew up, because people don't have fiscal discipline, and quite frankly, I don't see this film ever getting completed because of it.

I don't know whether it will ever be completed or not. But I don't think the end product will look like a $100 million dollar movie.

Well the once scene shot and released for Axanar has the appearance of not quite Berman era trek... No where close to a $100,000,000.00 movie....

But certainly as good as any several million $ episode of Enterprise, which is more than acceptable.

 

[BillJ]

I don't know whether it will ever be completed or not. But I don't think the end product will look like a $100 million dollar movie.

Well the once scene shot and released for Axanar has the appearance of not quite Berman era trek... No where close to a $100,000,000.00 movie....

But certainly as good as any several million $ episode of Enterprise, which is more than acceptable.

But that's not what they're saying. They're saying it is going to look like a hundred-million dollar movie. That is how I'll judge it. Same way I judged Renegades as a potential pilot for a new Trek, because that is the way it was sold.

 

[BigJake]

But that's not what they're saying. They're saying it is going to look like a hundred-million dollar movie.

Actually they are not saying that. The only place those comparisons are really coming from are tossed-off media headlines. Most notable example I can think of being Wired though there have been others. But that rhetoric isn't coming from the Axanar team -- except inasmuch as it's indirectly from journalists' reaction to Prelude whose quality is clearly evident to most casual observers and does tend to prompt those comparisons.

(Unrelated, but frankly I do find the whole business of "if they said such-and-such, by damn that's how I'm going to judge it" a bit petty and vindictive. It's perfectly possible to take the high road once in a while and judge something based on its actual resources rather than how much umbrage you take at the rhetoric of various parties, related or not, and who knows but that might even make your perspective more worth listening to. I mean, Renegades is a bit of a different case because they really made such claims a core of their pitch -- but insisting that you will judge Axanar by the standards of a hundred-million-dollar film is more a giveaway of axe-grinding than anything else.)

 

[BillJ]

But that's not what they're saying. They're saying it is going to look like a hundred-million dollar movie.

Actually they are not saying that. The only place those comparisons are really coming from are tossed-off media headlines.

(Unrelated, but frankly I do find the whole business of "if they said such-and-such, by damn that's how I'm going to judge it" a bit petty and vindictive. It's perfectly possible to take the high road once in a while and judge something based on its actual resources rather than how much umbrage you take at the rhetoric of various parties, related or not, and who knows but that might even make your perspective more worth listening to.)

Burnett said in the comments of an earlier article that Axanar would look like a hundred-million dollar film.

But why shouldn't one judge a project based on how those involved present it? No one's twisting their arms to make those statements. They can very easily say, "we think we're making a great film and people will have fun watching it".

 

[BillJ]

Just so we're clear...

For me personally, I want to illustrate to the greater industry I can direct a 100 million dollar space epic for one percent of that budget, proving my filmmaking worth and hopefully get hired for similar jobs. It's my spec commercial, just done on a larger scale.

http://www.thewrap.com/how-1-1-million-star-trek-fan-movie-has-escaped-studio-shutdown-so-far/

 

[BigJake]

Burnett said in the comments of an earlier article that Axanar would look like a hundred-million dollar film.

Well, that may be Burnett's personal angle in that particular comment -- although I tend to think there he means "successfully deliver a story on the scale of a big-budget film" and not "literally deliver something that looks frame-for-frame the same as a big budget film" -- but anyway it's certainly not the central message coming from Axanar as a whole.

But why shouldn't one judge a project based on how those involved present it?

Personally, the reason I don't do so is that it's rather redolent of point-scoring and grudges and it thus undermines the credibility of criticism. I expect film-makers to have high hopes for their product, that's part of what keeps the process going; I'm not sitting in the cheap YouTube seats comparing the product to their prior statements and going "AHA!" because that feels like shitty behaviour to me no matter what they said.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm trying really hard to just wait for the film itself (in whatever form it takes) and judge it on its merits then.

Not sure why, but that is becoming more difficult of late. I don't want money to become a factor, because I think you can do a fantastic production on little money, if you're smart. Not saying it is easy, by any stretch of the imagination, but doable.

But, I will judge it based upon the characters and story presented. I think that's fair.

 

[BigJake]

But, I will judge it based upon the characters and story presented. I think that's fair.

Eminently fair and one might say even rational.

 

[BillJ]

Burnett said in the comments of an earlier article that Axanar would look like a hundred-million dollar film.

Well, that may be Burnett's personal angle in that particular comment -- although I tend to think there he means "successfully deliver a story on the scale of a big-budget film" and not "literally deliver something that looks frame-for-frame the same as a big budget film" -- but anyway it's certainly not the central message coming from Axanar as a whole.

But why shouldn't one judge a project based on how those involved present it?

Personally, the reason I don't do so is that it's rather redolent of point-scoring and grudges and it thus undermines the credibility of criticism. I expect film-makers to have high hopes for their product, that's part of what keeps the process going; I'm not sitting in the cheap YouTube seats comparing the product to their prior statements and going "AHA!" because that feels like shitty behaviour to me no matter what they said.

If someone says they're going to deliver diamonds then hand me a fistful of shit, I'm going to call them on it. Sorry.

 

[BillJ]

I'm trying really hard to just wait for the film itself (in whatever form it takes) and judge it on its merits then.

Not sure why, but that is becoming more difficult of late. I don't want money to become a factor, because I think you can do a fantastic production on little money, if you're smart. Not saying it is easy, by any stretch of the imagination, but doable.

But, I will judge it based upon the characters and story presented. I think that's fair.

I'll judge it on a lot of different things, including how they promote the material. It'll be interesting to see.

 

[BigJake]

If someone says they're going to deliver diamonds then hand me a fistful of shit, I'm going to call them on it. Sorry.

* grind grind grind * Sorry not sorry.

If all you can produce to support your rationale for taking a particular attitude is a lone comment from Burnett in a comments thread, then you're not really talking about what Axanar is claiming to deliver. You're talking about Burnett's hopes and trying to pin them on the production as a commitment. At a certain point -- as with your prior goalpoast-shifting about what constitutes "transparency" -- you should probably just admit that your hostility is a fixed commitment and you're going to be as miserable as you can contrive to be through the whole process on whatever excuse you can find.