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*hands Warped9 his lung back*
Thanks. I have to mow the lawn tomorrow and it's easier with two lungs.

Eh, no problem. I grow lungs on the side ;)

I expect it will be MORE fun, as it appears to have the depth of a VI instead of the shallowness of a 09 or ID.

Wait a minute! You call the Abrams films shallow and superficial yet hold up The Undiscovered County as some shining beacon. :guffaw:
*waits for Dennis to ride in and inform us of how non-subtle Trek 6 was*

I love Trek 6, but having read the history that informed it and the creation of the film, it was subtle to me at 10. Not so much at 31.

Also, as a sidebar, perhaps part of the reason people take umbrage at criticism of Abrams films is the fact that descriptors such as "commentary for cave man. Ook, ook." accompany them. Such descriptors are less than flattering and can be read as offensive. *cue "The more you know"*

Also, GR's sanctioned "Last Outpost" was about as subtle with its commentary on capitalism as TUC. Commentary does not have to be subtle to be effective.
 
I expect it will be MORE fun, as it appears to have the depth of a VI instead of the shallowness of a 09 or ID.

Wait a minute! You call the Abrams films shallow and superficial yet hold up The Undiscovered County as some shining beacon. :guffaw:

Absolutely!

VI is by FAR the superior presentation of such material as it spends much time examining the characters and their inner struggles as well as the "A plot" struggle. Yes, there are a few action sequences, but they are strategically placed to service the plot and not just to fill up time. And the ratio between the character/introspective moments and the action is inverted in favor of the more thoughtful material.
 
I expect it will be MORE fun, as it appears to have the depth of a VI instead of the shallowness of a 09 or ID.

Wait a minute! You call the Abrams films shallow and superficial yet hold up The Undiscovered County as some shining beacon. :guffaw:

Absolutely!

VI is by FAR the superior presentation of such material as it spends much time examining the characters and their inner struggles as well as the "A plot" struggle. Yes, there are a few action sequences, but they are strategically placed to service the plot and not just to fill up time. And the ratio between the character/introspective moments and the action is inverted in favor of the more thoughtful material.

I love The Undiscovered Country, but thoughtful material it ain't. I think Star Trek (2009) and Into Darkness actually do a better job of examining the characters and don't slow down to do it.
 
Also, GR's sanctioned "Last Outpost" was about as subtle with its commentary on capitalism as TUC. Commentary does not have to be subtle to be effective.

I love "The Last Outpost". :techman:

I need Star Trek to be entertaining. I don't need it to teach me lessons I learned when I was five. Life's short, when I watch Trek I want to have fun.
 
Wait a minute! You call the Abrams films shallow and superficial yet hold up The Undiscovered County as some shining beacon. :guffaw:

Absolutely!

VI is by FAR the superior presentation of such material as it spends much time examining the characters and their inner struggles as well as the "A plot" struggle. Yes, there are a few action sequences, but they are strategically placed to service the plot and not just to fill up time. And the ratio between the character/introspective moments and the action is inverted in favor of the more thoughtful material.

I love The Undiscovered Country, but thoughtful material it ain't. I think Star Trek (2009) and Into Darkness actually do a better job of examining the characters and don't slow down to do it.

I'm inclined to agree, but then I find commentary in many films that others do not :techman:

Also, GR's sanctioned "Last Outpost" was about as subtle with its commentary on capitalism as TUC. Commentary does not have to be subtle to be effective.

I love "The Last Outpost". :techman:

I need Star Trek to be entertaining. I don't need it to teach me lessons I learned when I was five. Life's short, when I watch Trek I want to have fun.
"Last Outpost" was fun and interesting. Not my favorite, but not the worst, by far.
 
I expect it will be MORE fun, as it appears to have the depth of a VI instead of the shallowness of a 09 or ID.

Wait a minute! You call the Abrams films shallow and superficial yet hold up The Undiscovered County as some shining beacon. :guffaw:

Absolutely!

VI is by FAR the superior presentation of such material as it spends much time examining the characters and their inner struggles as well as the "A plot" struggle. Yes, there are a few action sequences, but they are strategically placed to service the plot and not just to fill up time. And the ratio between the character/introspective moments and the action is inverted in favor of the more thoughtful material.

Oh yes, Chekov saying "Guess who's coming to dinner" is such an introspective line. I like VI just fine, but it has the subtlety of a sledge hammer.

Remember fans of NuTrek, we are all just the appreciating the entertainment of the lowest common denominator masses. It's sad we can't see the the true enlightened form of Trek like Phantom and company.

Honestly, we should all just stop arguing about it because no one is going to change their minds, and it's muddling up the thread on a nice fan film. Granted this wouldn't happen if Abrams' detractors wouldn't put their drive by snipes at his films and their fans in their posts, but at this point it's a pointless argument.
 
There was a point in my life, many moons ago, where I bought into the hype about Star Trek. I took everything about it deadly serious. But then I started reading books about and by people behind the show. I realized they were doing what many people were doing, their absolute best to earn a regular paycheck and provide for their families. They weren't trying to change the world.

I started enjoying Star Trek far more when I made the realization. Everybody's mileage may vary.
 
Granted this wouldn't happen if Abrams' detractors wouldn't put their drive by snipes at his films and their fans in their posts...
Which is effectively saying no dissenting viewpoints whatsoever allowed or you will be labeled a hater.

Nice to know.
 
Which is effectively saying no dissenting viewpoints whatsoever allowed or you will be labeled a hater.

Nice to know.

Why does there need to be dissenting viewpoints about the Abrams films in a thread that should have nothing to do with the Abrams films?
 
Granted this wouldn't happen if Abrams' detractors wouldn't put their drive by snipes at his films and their fans in their posts...
Which is effectively saying no dissenting viewpoints whatsoever allowed or you will be labeled a hater.

Nice to know.

Well seeing as how they pop up in posts that have nothing to do with the films, if it quacks like a duck....

If someone posts, "Man Axanar looks great. I haven't been this excited in a Trek film in a while", thats one thing. But that's not what gets posted, and I'm not saying by you, but by others. What gets posted is "Man Axanar looks great. It's so much better then that stupid JJ Abrams crap that has been put out. That's not real Star Trek. It's just dumb and shallow." There is a major difference between those two posts. You don't see me posting, "This looks great. It looks so much better then Voyager, which is crap." One thing has nothing to do to with the other.

Frankly I agree with what you have posted about the difference between the studio and independent side of these films. The studio needs to make a film that will appeal to fans, as well as the widest possible audience. That is their job. That is what their investors require of them. Something like Axanar can focus on a very small piece of Trek history, one that in the mainstream no one knows about, because they are answering only to the kickstarter backers who have funded them. And those people are the ones who want to see that kind of film in the first place.

Two different worlds. Two different systems. Two different goals and endgames. We don't really need to compare the two honestly.
 
I like Star Trek. That should be enough for this thread.

It should be. But there are people here who think they are better qualified to tell others what Star Trek even is, without anything to back it up, that ruin it for everyone.

Hell, I was on Facebook last week and mentioned that I liked the NuTrek films, and was told, in no uncertain terms, that "I didn't really know" Star Trek.

I laughed, and laughed.

How I see it is like this:

The original series is, of course, official Star Trek. Berman Era Trek is official Star Trek. NuTrek is official Star Trek.

Axanar isn't official Star Trek, but it's still Star Trek, along with ST:C, Exeter, Hidden Frontiers, Excelsior, and so on. They're fan made, but they're labors of love, and as far as I'm concerned, still Star Trek.

It's all Star Trek. If you like it, you're a Star Trek fan. Congratulations, you passed go, you collected 200 dollars, and you didn't need to obtain a Ph.D, or attain Kolinahr to get into the club.

The only caveat is that other people get to like it too, whatever they want to like about it. If they showed up for the space battles, they're still fans. If they like the meetings and the long dialogs, they're still fans. If they ripped off their shirt and screamed "hit me with the lens flares, JJ, right on the nipples! They power my immense and complex Vulcan libido!" they're still fans.

That's it. That's the story. No more of this closed circle, special ops, higher echelon of understanding bullshit.
 
It's all Star Trek. If you like it, you're a Star Trek fan. Congratulations, you passed go, you collected 200 dollars, and you didn't need to obtain a Ph.D, or attain Kolinahr to get into the club.

You can't be a true believer if you haven't attained Kolinahr.
 
Anyone here want to talk about Axanar?

There are a dozen other threads to debate the merits and shortcomings of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness.

Just saying...
 
Anyone here want to talk about Axanar?

There are a dozen other threads to debate the merits and shortcomings of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness.

Just saying...

Nope. Not interested. *sarcasm, just to be clear*

Honestly, I need to revisit Prelude simply because the impression it left on me was the events, and not really the characters. Which is fine, and seems to be what it was going for. The idea of this historical run-up to Axanar and the people involved.

Personally, I am also curious about behind-the-scenes action and how the actors are doing with each of their roles. I love BTS stuff and actors insights in to their projects.
 
The Battle of Axanar allowed Spock and Kirk to work together as brothers. I take it that Vulcan was going to leave, but that one victory was enough to make it "logical" to remain in the Federation. Improving Human and Vulcan relations. Both Spock and Kirk were already alive at this point in time.
 
That's interesting.
Personally, I love seeing Statfleet's history and changes over time. I like how the models incorporate Kelvin era and TOS designs. I 'm curious to see more of the uniforms.
 
With the current fundraiser running, I wonder if it might be time to announce a new cast-member or two to raise excitement? *Hint*

No idea who is locked down or what Team Axanar have planned, but just an idea. ;)
 
With the current fundraiser running, I wonder if it might be time to announce a new cast-member or two to raise excitement? *Hint*

No idea who is locked down or what Team Axanar have planned, but just an idea. ;)

Alec has tried to get a certain famous acquaintance of mine into the film, and I have spoken to him. While this person told me to encourage team Axanar to send him a proposal, he did not respond to it when they did, (not even to say 'no') and they tell me that they sent it to several of his addresses.

So yes, I know for a fact they are working on this. Who, if anyone, will be added depends on THEM being interested.
 
The notion that mainstream entertainment is less intelligent, imaginative and sophisticated than Star Trek is preposterous fannish nonsense.

Take it up with GR who, despite all his faults, worked hard to establish Trek as appealing to a bar set higher than the LCD entertainments of the day, a policy that was continued through all the modern Treks up to the 09 film.

The evidence of history, sir, is against you.

Um, yes and no. Not to be argumentative, but GR modeled it on the Westerns of the times, selling it as "action/adventure" with some "social commentary. Science fiction provided a platform for telling a multitude of stories without being bound to one specific time, society, or place. He could have the commentary that he wanted on society, without necessarily pointing fingers at a specific aspect of of American society (with due respect to fans from other countries).

I think Trek 09 carried forward that spirit with a lot more energy, but I saw action, I saw adventure, I saw commentary. So, it works as Star Trek for me.

Obviously, and rather ridiculous to restate but I will, other people will have different experiences.

I liked Prelude and found the concept to be interesting. My only struggle (and the reason why I watch films) is there were maybe two characters that I liked and wanted to see succeed or (in contrast) see fail.

VFX only does so much as far as my interest goes, so I am hoping for a trailer where I have a more concrete idea of what everybody's role is in the actual film.

Again, cautious optimism, but I've seen many fan productions over the years, and I think caution on my part is warranted. This is not a slam against the production team, who I think are doing a good job, especially with a lot of naysaying and random attacks.

I am looking forward to the trailers, as well.

There are some specific reasons why Prelude was the way that it was, specifically the retrospective documentary and interview style of presentation. Some were creative -- wanted to do something different and fresh to pitch the concept and prove what we could do with the money that we had. Others were practical -- having only the money that we had not being low on the list.

The vast majority of the feedback that we've received from fans, pros, and media has been overwhelmingly positive in the near year since it premiered and was released to donors and YouTube. That said, the coming feature will not only have a much larger budget, but it also has more creative talent behind it, not to mention that it will unfold as a traditional film narrative -- as-you-were-there style -- as any Star Trek film from Paramount has done. Thankfully, and this is only my personal opinion, although it may be shared by many, the feature-length film will be largely practically shot on real sets and that should surely kick things up a notch.

Speaking only for myself, one of my jobs is wrangling the displays on the sets; everything from ordering the monitors and video devices that will play the animations, but perhaps even a few goodies that involve very large touch screens. All of that will be practical effects, too, and we're not using TOS repro graphics. Our in house art department has created a new computer interface system that we believe strongly, after a bazillion hours of development, will bridge the gap between the ENT and TOS designs. They'll be practical though, since we're working from the place that technology is today and not what technology of the future was thought to look like 50 years ago. That said... they'll be very familiar, too.

It's a wild ride, but by the time the film premieres, if we all aren't already on a mental hold from exhaustion, we'll be dropping off the grid for a few weeks to an undisclosed location that doesn't even have soup cans and string for outside communication. =P

Terry,

thank you for your response. I know that the Axanar team has put a lot of time, blood, sweat, tears, money and everything else in to the project, and (having done fan film projects) I appreciate the effort.

That said, I meant nothing against Prelude in my comments. I love the documentary style of Prelude, and think more fan productions would do well to take that as inspiration. I can recall a similar one for Star Wars based around the battle of Hoth. They did a (then) History Channel style documentary, with voiceovers reciting quotes from famous people at the battle.

Also, having done just basics of tracking finger movements for a graphic display, I'm impressed by all the displays that have to be done. Again, my comments are not meant to denigrate the work you all have done. Instead, it is that I am hoping that it is a film that I cannot wait to see, and appreciate the full story, characters, and events.

Thank you for your response and please continue the good work!

Zero offense or concern was taken by your comment, sir or maam, and I hope that it didn't come across that way. Sometimes the blood caffeine level spikes and I get a bit overtly wordy with my replies though, and to all I apologize in adance. =P
 
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