Star Trek: Axanar
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Much as I admired PtA as a slick taster, it was pretty much only talking heads and some nice eye-candy visual fx shots (which the director may or may not have had much of a hand-in), if I recall correctly?
If the plan is for Axanar feature to be conventional dramatic feature, I don't think changing directors will make much difference at this stage. Unless they get a crap director.
It served a purpose. Within the design of a faux-documentary it worked quite well for me. It was a nicely authentic moment that would quite probably pop up during such an interview, and it felt perfectly authentic.
The key words being "for you."
As someone else stated, it was not as well received by a number of people. Probably because of the chiefly woman-hating nature of the comment, and how it sticks out like a sore, red thumb in the Star Trek format. I don't care that it was supposedly the Klingons who said it; Klingons aren't real. The last thing Trek should be doing is perpetuating such kind of langauge or opinions of women.
For all their talk about Axanar being "true Star Trek," they really dropped the ball with that comment.
Glad it worked for you; it most certainly did not land well with me.
As someone else stated, it was not as well received by a number of people. Probably because of the chiefly woman-hating nature of the comment, and how it sticks out like a sore, red thumb in the Star Trek format. I don't care that it was supposedly the Klingons who said it; Klingons aren't real. The last thing Trek should be doing is perpetuating such kind of langauge or opinions of women.
For all their talk about Axanar being "true Star Trek," they really dropped the ball with that comment.
Glad it worked for you; it most certainly did not land well with me.
Of course. I understand that and didn't mean to suggest my reaction is law or anything. I recognize that plenty of people took issue with it and that informs me it was not a total crowd-pleaser or anything. I can see why it wouldn't work for others; at least, I think I can.
Oh, Jesus Palomino - not this again! 
But it sounds much better in Klingon
ta'be' Ha'DIbaH Suy SoHDaq
can we all just agree to disagree on this one?
You all are free of course to take it as you will. I'm just tired of every default insult to women always being related to sexuality. It's always "whore" this and that. Star Trek went fifty years without needing anyone to use an insult like this and I disagree that it's "new and interesting." It's limiting and degrading and as I said before, lazy writing. Just my opinion.
This his hyperbole and puffery. You know very well there are far-worse anti-female pejoratives out there that were not used in this context but frequently used in others.
I didn't say there weren't "far worse anti-female pejoratives out there." I said I didn't care for the use of it here.
Also, your dismissive tone is unnecessary and more importantly, unappreciated.
We kinda knew that, thanks.
You're welcome.
You said "It's always 'whore' this and that."
I said it most certainly is not and cited that there were other examples that could have been used that are considered much worse. What you said is the definition of what hyperbole and puffery is in this particular context.
I dismiss agenda-driven hyperbole and puffery for what they are and, more importantly, couldn't give two rat turds in a rain barrel what you appreciate.
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Clearly we disagree. The difference being though that you not only have missed my point, you've done so (for a second time now) in a fairly rude and condescending manner. If this is the only way you know how to discuss things, I see no need to continue interacting with the likes of you.
This is kinda a non-sequitur debate: end of the day, the line's gonna irritate some people and not others. For myself, I actually didn't mind it - Klingons are hardly gonna be nice about their enemies if they don't respect them, are they? I really liked her reaction as she said it - the amusement was good. Might have had a different impact had the insult been shown to seriously offend her, but the amusement made it work.
Hard to imagine the stuff they'd come out with for a bloke: the Klingon equivalent of "dickless wonder" or something similar, I suppose, maybe "the little pindick bastard prince of the Federation".
Kind of curious as to what's so bad about it? The level of the wording, the fact that it was a woman being insulted or something else?
Hard to imagine the stuff they'd come out with for a bloke: the Klingon equivalent of "dickless wonder" or something similar, I suppose, maybe "the little pindick bastard prince of the Federation".
Kind of curious as to what's so bad about it? The level of the wording, the fact that it was a woman being insulted or something else?
And, as someone else stated (see below), it was received by a number of people well enough.
Oh, we're doing the no true Scotsman gambit?!? By the time of Prelude, every word in "queen bitch whore" was already canonical Star Trek (as pointed out last year, upthread, by yours truly).
Somehow putting them altogether though is a no-no to some.
Exactly.
This is my take. It actually does serve a purpose in the story, by telling us something about both Klingon character and human character; a mature reaction to someone trying to offend you with insults is to laugh it off.
Because, when this exact same topic came up almost a year ago, it was pretty easy to see that some people didn't derive any enjoyment from life unless they have something to be offended about and:
- Step 1: Demand that others should also clearly be equally offended
- Step 2: A pox on them if they're not.
Cannot believe we're being dragged through this muck yet again...
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