Well, it would hardly be a FanPro thread without tone-deaf, overheated criticisms being flung around, now would it?
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Well, it wouldn't be the Fan Productions subforum of the Trek BBS.
Well, it would hardly be a FanPro thread without tone-deaf, overheated criticisms being flung around, now would it?
Well, it wouldn't be the Fan Productions subforum of the Trek BBS.
It wouldn't be the internet...
The comment was not directed to you or your production.
Well, it would hardly be a FanPro thread without tone-deaf, overheated criticisms being flung around, now would it?
How is pointing out that a production that values recreating every single door sign from TOS for their sets but STILL manages to not record their sound properly and whose producer later admits the top brass don't care all that much about sound, constitute "tone deaf overheated criticism?
Well, it would hardly be a FanPro thread without tone-deaf, overheated criticisms being flung around, now would it?
Well, it wouldn't be the Fan Productions subforum of the Trek BBS.
The implication that "no one cares" was aimed solely at New Voyages, because Gscnitzer literally wrote that they, at New Voyages, don't care that much about sound:
The earlier comment about sound was not meant to suggest that it is the same for all productions. But it WAS also a throughline to point out that there are tons of fan films out there that do happen to get other elements "right" but pay little attention to or just plain don't "do" sound very well.
It's one thing to take offense to an unfair or inaccurate attack. It's quite another for a general, offhand remark to be blown out of proportion like this, when at the heart of the issue -- lousy sound in fan films -- is still very much prevalent, from New Voyages all the way through to Dominion.
I just watched George Kayaian's new release, Star Trek Antyllus, Episode 6, "Together Alone," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcTNu54ciBY (30:07). I heard every word. But he doesn't distract with background music, and it's mostly a one-person show. Still after reading this thread, I noticed that I could understand every word in his zero budget film.
"Humor. It is is difficult concept."
Uh, that post was sarcasm, dude. He was gently poking a bit of fun at your crass and not particularly bright "The trick is to actually care" remark. Can you really be this clueless?
I wasn't suggesting it was. I still find the suggestion that nobody cares false and unfair.
While I agree it is a problem, and that's entirely fair criticism, I think the statement that nobody cares is just plain wrong. Just because people can't get it right doesn't mean they don't care.
What is true, I think, is that the majority of people making these movies find that sound is a lot harder to get right than they think it is. And yes, it is common to underestimate how important sound is. But none of that equates not caring.
Yes: my comment that our sound people don't care about their jobs--mostly because they take their cues from the Producers--and we Producers just don't care--was meant to be sarcastic. I apologize that I hid my sarcastic tone too well. (Really? I did?) I'm well into six figures that I've personally dropped into our Fake Star Trek productions--and I'm not all that wealthy a man. The notion that I just don't care about our sound--or any particular aspect of our production--is, well, inaccurate.
I always thought that dropping thousands of dollars into this project absolved me of having to actually care. But I see that my approach has bitten the production in the butt.
The good news in all this is that I have been approached by the editors of The Onion to become a staff writer. I'm considering their offer.
I always thought that dropping thousands of dollars into this project absolved me of having to actually care. But I see that my approach has bitten the production in the butt.
The good news in all this is that I have been approached by the editors of The Onion to become a staff writer. I'm considering their offer.
Take their Monopoly money and run.
Great news, at least I think so, out of the current Axanar podcast: Alec Peters still intends to produce the short vignettes he'd mentioned some months back, including the one he'd planned to film at Retro studios with the story taking place 6 months after Whom Gods Destroy.
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From the good news\bad news department: Apparently Prelude to Axanar director and comics artist Christian Gossett just landed a great film industry gig. No more details were given but if Prelude to Axanar in any way helped him to get it and was the foundation for his future assignments, then more good films are in the offing.
The bad news is he had to bow out on his involvement with Axanar, but Alec Peters claims a replacement will soon be announced.
A shame that Gossett won't be around to finish Axanar as his great eye for composition was one of the strengths of the Prelude vignette. Still, looking forward to see his next film assignment.
The bad news is he had to bow out on his involvement with Axanar, but Alec Peters claims a replacement will soon be announced.
A shame that Gossett won't be around to finish Axanar as his great eye for composition was one of the strengths of the Prelude vignette. Still, looking forward to see his next film assignment.
I'm 10 months late to the party, but I finally sat down for 19 minutes and watched Prelude to Axanar.
Yeah. OK. That was pretty much spectacular. Seeing Soval again was fantastic, and I think this was easily some of his finest work. Perhaps his finest. Gary Graham clearly brought his A-game to the role, and I hope to see more of him in the movie proper. Richard Hatch and Kate Vernon were equally delightful. Hell, everyone was. I got a real hoot out of seeing JG Hertzler and Tony Todd as grizzled Federation vets who'd gone to blood with the Klingons. What a marvelous twist and how totally Trekkian to do something like that.
The cinematography was top-notch. What brilliantly modern camerawork. It captured the feel of a modern documentary in all the right ways. And the script was probably just as strong. Vernon's "queen whore bitch of the Federation" line took me completely by surprise, as was Hertzler's "a Vulcan's going to do what Vulcan's going to do"; both were hilarious. And there was real heart in every line.
I'm gonna love this movie. Best of luck to everyone involved.
Yeah. OK. That was pretty much spectacular. Seeing Soval again was fantastic, and I think this was easily some of his finest work. Perhaps his finest. Gary Graham clearly brought his A-game to the role, and I hope to see more of him in the movie proper. Richard Hatch and Kate Vernon were equally delightful. Hell, everyone was. I got a real hoot out of seeing JG Hertzler and Tony Todd as grizzled Federation vets who'd gone to blood with the Klingons. What a marvelous twist and how totally Trekkian to do something like that.
The cinematography was top-notch. What brilliantly modern camerawork. It captured the feel of a modern documentary in all the right ways. And the script was probably just as strong. Vernon's "queen whore bitch of the Federation" line took me completely by surprise, as was Hertzler's "a Vulcan's going to do what Vulcan's going to do"; both were hilarious. And there was real heart in every line.
I'm gonna love this movie. Best of luck to everyone involved.
I suppose it doesn't surprise me that some (perhaps most, even) would see that line in a far different light.
With someone else delivering it I might not have enjoyed it quite so much. It was in a way classic Ellen Tigh, and I think that was intentional to some extent or another. As a big nuBSG fan it was pretty great watching Kate Vernon leave her mark on Trek and doing so with such a familiar character to me.
With someone else delivering it I might not have enjoyed it quite so much. It was in a way classic Ellen Tigh, and I think that was intentional to some extent or another. As a big nuBSG fan it was pretty great watching Kate Vernon leave her mark on Trek and doing so with such a familiar character to me.
That line was the subject of much debate. Personally, I liked it.
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I didn't mind it so much. It was a bit clunky, though. Then again, I've never watched NuBSG, so I don't know what connection she has to that show and the reference may have been something that flew over my head.
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