Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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Fair point. Although Joss isn't really involved in running the show -- Agents of SHIELD is primarily Jed, Maurissa, and Jeffrey Bell's baby.
Yeah, who could have predicted that she would be the big villain at the end of the season when we first saw her?
Nice one, Shield showrunners!
Hah, very good.
They can go all sorts of different ways with that one. Give him a gun hand. Or a Deathlok arm. Or grow a new one, cloned from Patton Oswalt.
I'll admit when I first saw that I got greedy and thought Helicarrier, but you're probably correct here.
There may be other possibilities too though. Why go backwards when you can do something entirely new?
A Skrull's gotta eat!
So the big question here is: how much time between season 2 and season 3? The disappearance of Simmons is an immediate mystery, but everything else points to a longer break. Mockingbird has a long recovery in front of her. May is taking some time off. Ward will need time to build up Hydra. And Fitz was just getting started on whatever that blueprint was, so we'll need to see an off-season break so he has time to complete it before the season premiere.
So therefore, by the time the season premiere rolls around, Coulson and the gang should have figured out what happened to Simmons. And for that matter they may have the incident on security camera (if Cal didn't screw that up on his rampage). It's safe to assume the Venom symbiote will be a major point of interest in the first half of season 3 this fall.
I feel that Kyle MacLachlan deserves the Guest Star Emmy for his performance this season. Especially for what he's done in this two-parter.
Side-note: The way they structured the season was clever -- two big bads for the two halves of the season, Reinhardt for the first and Jiaying for the second. With Cal thrown in there to make you think he's gonna be the big bad for the second half.
I dunno. I really liked the Bus; I thought it looked awesome and the sets were great. I miss it.
One of the frustratingly clever things about ending the season on that shot is that they can go anywhere with it. Episode 3.01 could start just moments after 2.22 ended with the entire Playground on the alert after Jemma disappears -- or, for instance, it could start three months later, with Jemma walking around, seemingly okay, with the team none the wiser, and then have flashbacks show that Jemma was spat back out, had induced amnesia about it, but now Something Is Wrong (TM). They've got plenty of options.
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Some of the reaction on Tumblr is just insane with the hyperbole. I think my favorite is the person who declared that the AoS showrunners had been manipulating Skyeward fans and had now lost all of them, and that they'd never watch anything else a Whedon or Jeffrey Bell wrote. Runner-up on the ridiculous nonsense list is the one who claimed that the bit at the end with Jemma is proof that the writers always saw her as just a plot device, that she's been completely undeveloped this season, and that creating "cheap drama" for a season cliffhanger is "unacceptable."
I like how things are so consistent on this show. For instance, that Cal was described as a "monster" in earlier episodes finally manifested as he transformed into Mr. Hyde. He looked very ... Frankenstein. 
The finale also referenced the massacre at the village, but what surprised me was the fact that Jiaying was responsible for the carnage and that she hadn't been herself after Cal put her back together. She only started to show her true colors last episode when she killed Gonzalez and staged an "attack" by SHIELD. I felt sorry for the whole family when she died. It's good Cal gets to live a normal life.
The finale also referenced the massacre at the village, but what surprised me was the fact that Jiaying was responsible for the carnage and that she hadn't been herself after Cal put her back together. She only started to show her true colors last episode when she killed Gonzalez and staged an "attack" by SHIELD. I felt sorry for the whole family when she died. It's good Cal gets to live a normal life.
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I got to hand it to them, they wrapped up the season pretty well.
I liked all the misdirection. I thought Hunter (and the trap), Fitz (and the teleporter), and Coulson (and the crystal) were done for. The ones we did loose, Raina and Kara, were still a shocker. Raina had potential being the only clairvoyant. Plus, that was a build up from the start.
So the council is down to three, Weaver, Bobbi, and May. Not bad out of who we know they have left. I forgot his name but that agent who kept that intel in his nose was never seen being killed. I was hoping to see him again but if we haven't by now, I doubt he made it.
It's neat that Ward is the new head of Hydra. He has a twisted point of view and now he has a army? The team already wanted to kill him, now they're probably make it a contest.
And would it suck if Coulson and his Kree blood would have allowed him to get powers. Mack may have ruined a good thing.
"Leverage, bee-yotch" - Mack
I liked all the misdirection. I thought Hunter (and the trap), Fitz (and the teleporter), and Coulson (and the crystal) were done for. The ones we did loose, Raina and Kara, were still a shocker. Raina had potential being the only clairvoyant. Plus, that was a build up from the start.
So the council is down to three, Weaver, Bobbi, and May. Not bad out of who we know they have left. I forgot his name but that agent who kept that intel in his nose was never seen being killed. I was hoping to see him again but if we haven't by now, I doubt he made it.
It's neat that Ward is the new head of Hydra. He has a twisted point of view and now he has a army? The team already wanted to kill him, now they're probably make it a contest.
And would it suck if Coulson and his Kree blood would have allowed him to get powers. Mack may have ruined a good thing.
"Leverage, bee-yotch" - Mack
Me too. I knew something bad was going to happen but didn't expect that. Damn you silly Fitz, you freaking killed Simmons (I doubt she's really dead but we won't know anything until next season).
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That was two of the most exciting hours of television I've seen in a long time, and was better than some of the MCU films. A+. They knocked this one out of the park.
Quite a few surprises there. You think by now we'd be able to smell the misdirections coming, so it's good to know they can still keep us guessing!
Kyle MacLachlan continues to be the highlight of any scene he's in. Such a committed performance and such a difficult balance to play both a hero and villain simultaneously, but quite appropriate given the character's comic book name. What's even more impressive is that he seems to be having the time of his life playing the part. Not so much chewing the scenery but devouring it with gleeful abandon.
Nice that he got a happy ending of sorts and that they're keeping him around says they may not be done with him yet. Also, side note: Has Skye officially adopted the name "Daisy Johnson" now? "Daisy Skye Johnson" perhaps? Part of me just want to hear her introduce herself as Agent Johnson so they can pull off a Die Hard reference.
Interesting way to show Mac is back on Coulson's team...by having him cut off his hand. I'm assuming he'll get some cybernetic replacement and fully expect some crack along the lines of "but it's still not as cool as an eye patch".
I know I'm the one who suggested the artefact might be Venom symbiont related (and it still might figure into it regardless) but now I'm wondering if it's the thing that converted the ancient humans into Inhumans in the first place? It'd make sense that the Inhumans would fear it since after all, if it made them then it stands to reason it could unmake them too.
Of course that would mean Simmons could emerge from that thing an Inhuman, which would be enormously ironic. Of course it's also possible she already is and that's why it grabbed her.
His serum is so half-arsed (really Cal? Gorrilla testosterone, meth and peppermint? At least he didn't use chilli powder...) a gamma burst would probably just liquefy his skeleton or something.
Kyle MacLachlan continues to be the highlight of any scene he's in. Such a committed performance and such a difficult balance to play both a hero and villain simultaneously, but quite appropriate given the character's comic book name. What's even more impressive is that he seems to be having the time of his life playing the part. Not so much chewing the scenery but devouring it with gleeful abandon.
Nice that he got a happy ending of sorts and that they're keeping him around says they may not be done with him yet. Also, side note: Has Skye officially adopted the name "Daisy Johnson" now? "Daisy Skye Johnson" perhaps? Part of me just want to hear her introduce herself as Agent Johnson so they can pull off a Die Hard reference.
Interesting way to show Mac is back on Coulson's team...by having him cut off his hand. I'm assuming he'll get some cybernetic replacement and fully expect some crack along the lines of "but it's still not as cool as an eye patch".
I know I'm the one who suggested the artefact might be Venom symbiont related (and it still might figure into it regardless) but now I'm wondering if it's the thing that converted the ancient humans into Inhumans in the first place? It'd make sense that the Inhumans would fear it since after all, if it made them then it stands to reason it could unmake them too.
Of course that would mean Simmons could emerge from that thing an Inhuman, which would be enormously ironic. Of course it's also possible she already is and that's why it grabbed her.
His serum is so half-arsed (really Cal? Gorrilla testosterone, meth and peppermint? At least he didn't use chilli powder...) a gamma burst would probably just liquefy his skeleton or something.
Agent Shaw was one of Hand's inner circle in "Turn, Turn, Turn". He was one of the agents killed by Ward at the end of the episode.
When Coulson lost his hand, the first thing I did was gasp. The second thing I did was laugh out loud because of Kevin Feige's Phase 2 Star Wars Easter egg.
Hey! And Stick lopped off someone's hand in Daredevil, didn't he? Were there any lost hands in Agent Carter?
I haven't seen the episode yet, but the talk of Gemma being absorbed into the goop makes me think it might be the Supreme Intelligence or a piece of the Supreme Intelligence. Or have they already introduced the SI in Guardians of the Galaxy or something?
The Goop became nongoop stable solid once it was tethered to a person.
OR...
Gemma got it hard.
OR...
Gemma got it hard.
Whoa, and there goes the feeling in my legs!
So I just now realized that Fitz dropped a fake Breaking Bad reference in the middle of the fight with Gordon. Nice. Where does Fitz fall on the Pinkman-White scale?
Regarding whether people would know what happened to Simmons, I just watched the end again, and the door to the alien whatever was still open when the scene ended, so they'll have an idea of what happened pretty quickly.
And regarding whatever Fitz is building, here's a small screenshot. Maybe some of the HD folks will come along later and give us a better pic. (If it's not already up on the internet by now.)
Certainly sounds like a good match. Could be a set-up for Captain Marvel after all?
Whoa, and there goes the feeling in my legs!
So I just now realized that Fitz dropped a fake Breaking Bad reference in the middle of the fight with Gordon. Nice. Where does Fitz fall on the Pinkman-White scale?
Regarding whether people would know what happened to Simmons, I just watched the end again, and the door to the alien whatever was still open when the scene ended, so they'll have an idea of what happened pretty quickly.
And regarding whatever Fitz is building, here's a small screenshot. Maybe some of the HD folks will come along later and give us a better pic. (If it's not already up on the internet by now.)
Certainly looks like a new Bus. The cross-section looks very uch like the C-5's so they may end up redressing some of the old Bus sets. The ramp and the cockpit almost certainly. Not sure what the top left one is supposed to be though.
That post-credits scene was a punch in the gut. Not too late for Jemma Simmons, but I'm still quite concerned.
Really an exciting pair of episodes to complete a good season. They did a good job of making compelling villains with believable (if not always agreeable) motivations. They had quite a few twists and turns (my favorite was Coulson catching the crystal because there was just a pause where you thought he might be able to hold it before that hope turned to paralyzed dread as it started to spread). Good action throughout as well.
Really an exciting pair of episodes to complete a good season. They did a good job of making compelling villains with believable (if not always agreeable) motivations. They had quite a few twists and turns (my favorite was Coulson catching the crystal because there was just a pause where you thought he might be able to hold it before that hope turned to paralyzed dread as it started to spread). Good action throughout as well.
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