Aaaand...Jiaying's a life-sucking vampire to boot. Let's hear from her fan club.
Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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Oooh...I'm calling that Mack gets exposed to the Terragin and finds out he's one of them.
Yeah, they're telegraphing that one. They're also making things look bad for May and maybe even Fitz. Uh-oh. We'll see.
Aaaand...the life-sucking vampire is sucking the life out of her own daughter. Jiaying's not evil, she's just misunderstood.
My only reservation about the Mack prediction is that it would be a bit much like the mid-season finale with Skye.
My only reservation about the Mack prediction is that it would be a bit much like the mid-season finale with Skye.
Rain check on Mack getting his powers. Wonder if he takes that Omega Fish Oil stuff...?
She got ate up real good.
Raise your hand if you thought Ward would be the new head of Hydra. Raise your hand even higher if you thought Cal would get Tahiti'ed. Good surprises there.
They gave us the old Fitz and Simmons "might finally get together warning" right before Fitz went to fight the Inhumans, and the pipe scene with Gordon was certainly meant to scare us and misdirect us, but as soon as it was revealed that Fitz was okay, I breathed a sigh of relief and appreciated the setup. I just totally assumed Simmons would be okay back at the base since she didn't even go on th mission, so they got me good at the end.
Is she dead and gone, or is she coming back from that?
Skye is bulding a new team of Secret Avengers. The #1 most obvious choice as a possible team member is Deathlok, but he's not powered quite the same as Daisy and the other Inhumans, so he may just remain as a regular Shield operative.
So beyond him, I would love to see Lincoln and the ginger ninja/multiple girl on the team. He's a good guy, and she's got an awesome set of skills/powers.
That was a very exciting 2 hours of television. And color me thrilled about the outcome for Cal, saving his daughter from having to do something horrible to her mom.
They gave us the old Fitz and Simmons "might finally get together warning" right before Fitz went to fight the Inhumans, and the pipe scene with Gordon was certainly meant to scare us and misdirect us, but as soon as it was revealed that Fitz was okay, I breathed a sigh of relief and appreciated the setup. I just totally assumed Simmons would be okay back at the base since she didn't even go on th mission, so they got me good at the end.
Is she dead and gone, or is she coming back from that?
Skye is bulding a new team of Secret Avengers. The #1 most obvious choice as a possible team member is Deathlok, but he's not powered quite the same as Daisy and the other Inhumans, so he may just remain as a regular Shield operative.
So beyond him, I would love to see Lincoln and the ginger ninja/multiple girl on the team. He's a good guy, and she's got an awesome set of skills/powers.
That was a very exciting 2 hours of television. And color me thrilled about the outcome for Cal, saving his daughter from having to do something horrible to her mom.
My first reaction to "S.O.S., Parts I & I:"
.... Agents of SHIELD producers, dirty rotten so-and-sos! You got me all caught up in this Fitz/Simmons drama, dragged it out for a year over whether the two would reconcile, finally let them start to take a step in a shippy direction, and then you end the season with Jemma being swallowed up by alien goop?!?!
Pure frustration! Be still, my angry shipping heart!
Guess I'll just have to watch Season Three.
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... I'm guessing that's a reference to me?
Go back and re-read my comments. I never said she was not evil, or that she was just misunderstood. What I did say was that in her mind, she believes that she is active pre-emptively to defend the Inhumans from aggression, and that the possibility might have existed for her and SHIELD to reach a peaceful agreement if Gonzalez had not brought up the idea of putting the Inhumans on the Index. I also said that I was not yet willing to conclude that Jiaying was an anti-Human bigot, as the evidence we had up to that point merely indicated that she felt that she was acting in what she believed to be defense.
Obviously, "S.O.S., Parts I & II" have revealed new evidence about Jiaying's character. It's pretty clear now that Jiaying lost whatever compassion she held for non-Inhuman life after Cal revived her, and that her intentions were aggressive from the start. She does still think of her actions as being self-defense, but her willingness to murder her own daughter makes it clear that this is mere justification -- she is in denial about her own motivations, which are purely power lust and hatred of non-Inhumans.
I'm glad Mack survived. He's become a very interesting character. And frankly, killing the black guy would have been a bad trope to live up to.
ETA:
By the way, gotta say -- Dichen Lachman deserves massive props for an amazing arc this season. Jiaying started off as what we think is a silent victim in the first few episodes, but Lachman's performance elevated her into a charismatic leader and then compelling supervillain. Adding her to my celebrity crushes.
Well -- one branch, anyway. Yeah, the guys in the bar claimed that the organization had virtually collapsed with Strucker's death, but the thing about Hydra is that it is so inherently loose a concept, with its cell structures, that a later episode or film could come along and retcon this as having only been one branch that Ward took over, with other branches out there of which Ward's was unaware (a la Coulson's people not knowing about Gonzalez's).
Which is not to say that that will happen, either. I just think we should bear in mind that the most we can say with certainty is that Ward has seized control of at least one branch of Hydra.
(Personally, I think there's more out there, and that they're more powerful than just the street-level thugs we saw in the bar. I don't buy that an organization that managed to infiltrate SHIELD and the U.S. government in secret for seventy years could be so decimated in less than 18 months.)
She better be coming back, gorramit!
Cal's redemptive arc was very well-done!
.... Agents of SHIELD producers, dirty rotten so-and-sos! You got me all caught up in this Fitz/Simmons drama, dragged it out for a year over whether the two would reconcile, finally let them start to take a step in a shippy direction, and then you end the season with Jemma being swallowed up by alien goop?!?!
Pure frustration! Be still, my angry shipping heart!
Guess I'll just have to watch Season Three.
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... I'm guessing that's a reference to me?
Go back and re-read my comments. I never said she was not evil, or that she was just misunderstood. What I did say was that in her mind, she believes that she is active pre-emptively to defend the Inhumans from aggression, and that the possibility might have existed for her and SHIELD to reach a peaceful agreement if Gonzalez had not brought up the idea of putting the Inhumans on the Index. I also said that I was not yet willing to conclude that Jiaying was an anti-Human bigot, as the evidence we had up to that point merely indicated that she felt that she was acting in what she believed to be defense.
Obviously, "S.O.S., Parts I & II" have revealed new evidence about Jiaying's character. It's pretty clear now that Jiaying lost whatever compassion she held for non-Inhuman life after Cal revived her, and that her intentions were aggressive from the start. She does still think of her actions as being self-defense, but her willingness to murder her own daughter makes it clear that this is mere justification -- she is in denial about her own motivations, which are purely power lust and hatred of non-Inhumans.
I'm glad Mack survived. He's become a very interesting character. And frankly, killing the black guy would have been a bad trope to live up to.
ETA:
By the way, gotta say -- Dichen Lachman deserves massive props for an amazing arc this season. Jiaying started off as what we think is a silent victim in the first few episodes, but Lachman's performance elevated her into a charismatic leader and then compelling supervillain. Adding her to my celebrity crushes.
Well -- one branch, anyway. Yeah, the guys in the bar claimed that the organization had virtually collapsed with Strucker's death, but the thing about Hydra is that it is so inherently loose a concept, with its cell structures, that a later episode or film could come along and retcon this as having only been one branch that Ward took over, with other branches out there of which Ward's was unaware (a la Coulson's people not knowing about Gonzalez's).
Which is not to say that that will happen, either. I just think we should bear in mind that the most we can say with certainty is that Ward has seized control of at least one branch of Hydra.
(Personally, I think there's more out there, and that they're more powerful than just the street-level thugs we saw in the bar. I don't buy that an organization that managed to infiltrate SHIELD and the U.S. government in secret for seventy years could be so decimated in less than 18 months.)
She better be coming back, gorramit!
Cal's redemptive arc was very well-done!
Those fuckers better be in bed, safe, and married by the season 3 finale after what they've put us Fitz/Simmons shippers through!
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