Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[JD]

Apparently everyone must have thought the stone was Gravitonium.
So Theta Protocol was the Helicarrieer, I thought there was a pretty good chance he was one of Fury's friends. It was nice seeing the Koenigs again. Do we know what they are up to now?
I was rather shocked by how the meeting with Gonzalez and Jiaying ended, but I think that was the whole point. It will be interesting to see where Skye's loyalties end up going.
I was sad to see Mack go, but with everything we've seen from him lately his reasons make sense. At least he's still alive, so he could still pop back up. I did not realize until Comixology added some old Nick Fury comics yesterday, that Mack is a comic book character. The Marvel wiki says that he was a traditionalist who didn't like the advanced technology they used, which really isn't that far of a leap from the anti-enhanced attitude the AoS versions has.
I liked how they set up the whole thing with Coulson as Director and Gonzalez and Co. as an advisory council. I do have to wonder how much longer that will last after this incident with the Inhumans.
I am curious to see what the relationship between Jiaying's Inhumans and the Royal Family is. I keep expecting some kind of reference to the Royal Family in an episode, but I don't think we've heard more than vague references to there being other Inhuman communities.

 

[Christopher]

Apparently everyone must have thought the stone was Gravitonium.

Not necessarily. It only seemed to liquefy in the presence of Inhumans. So SHIELD might never have seen it doing that.

So Theta Protocol was the Helicarrieer, I thought there was a pretty good chance he was one of Fury's friends. It was nice seeing the Koenigs again. Do we know what they are up to now?

The last time we saw a Koenig was when Coulson sent him off to see to Theta Protocol. So presumably what they've been up to is getting the Helicarrier ready for what it did in the movie.

I was struck more by the revelation that the Koenigs have a sister. I... don't think I want to know what she looks like.

I was sad to see Mack go, but with everything we've seen from him lately his reasons make sense. At least he's still alive, so he could still pop back up.

I was hoping he'd be part of the Mockingbird spinoff. That seems less likely now.

I liked how they set up the whole thing with Coulson as Director and Gonzalez and Co. as an advisory council. I do have to wonder how much longer that will last after this incident with the Inhumans.

I expect it to be permanent, just without Gonzales. It's a good arrangement, one that makes sense, and I don't see why these events should undo it.

I am curious to see what the relationship between Jiaying's Inhumans and the Royal Family is. I keep expecting some kind of reference to the Royal Family in an episode, but I don't think we've heard more than vague references to there being other Inhuman communities.

We're a few years away from the Inhumans movie, so I think they're going to avoid specifics about that.

 

[DWF]

Is there any shapeshifting thing in the comics like this?

I can think of one shape-shifting thing in the comics that likes to kill Kree...


Of course we've been wondering for years whether Skrulls would belong to the MCU or the Fantastic Four on the movie side of things. Perhaps it would be split rights, similar to Pietro and Wanda.

And of course, we usually don't see Skrulls disguised as stone tablets or whatever, but maybe in the MCU that stone form is how they "sleep during hyperspace" or something like that.


You have to admit, bringing the Kree, Inhumans, and Skrulls to earth all on AOS would be pretty funny, since AOS was sold as the non-powered common person's street-level look at the MCU, and here it could potentially open up the whole cosmic side of all sort of aliens and stuff.

Now that said, it's probably not a Skrull. But wouldn't that be fun?

In this case I tend to agree it's probably not a Skrull since this is supposedly something made by the Kree to kill Inhumans.

As far the rights go; I'm pretty sure they're available. IIRC the reason they used the Chitauri instead of Skrulls in Avengers was precisely because they needed the army to be disposable, plot-wise. Evidentially they thought it prudent to save the Skrulls for another day.

One interesting thing of note about the Skrulls: as a race of aliens that can look exactly like humans, they're very doable on a TV budget.

In all seriousness I can see them going down that route at some point along the way. Maybe they get wind that the old Kree super soldier program isn't as dead as they thought and decide to either get their retaliation in first, or take the weapon for themselves?

The Skrulls first appeared in Fantastic Four #2 so they're Fox's property.

 

[kitik]

The lastest I had read from last year seemed to indicate that Marvel has at least some rights to the Skrulls. Kevin Feige and James Gunn both have made statements that the Skrulls could have appeared in MCU movies.

 

[DWF]

The lastest I had read from last year seemed to indicate that Marvel has at least some rights to the Skrulls. Kevin Feige and James Gunn both have made statements that the Skrulls could have appeared in MCU movies.

The Super Skrull would IMO make a great villain for the Captain Marvel movie, but I serously doubt that's going to happen. It would be nice for them to at leat mention the Skrulls given how long they've been fighting the Kree off and on over the years.

 

[kitik]

Entertainment Weekly has the Art of Evolution poster for the season finale (or at least Part 1 of the season finale).

Tiny chance it's spoilerish, so I'll hide it, but it's a brilliant piece of comicbook art, designed to look like a classic cover, probably my favorite of all the Shield posters so far. So I suggest you give it a look.

Spoiler: artwork

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^
That is a great retro vibe comic cover they have to promo the finale!

The text on the artwork could indeed be taken as spoilery so good call to hide it.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

^ That's an awesome old school comic.

I can think of one shape-shifting thing in the comics that likes to kill Kree...


Of course we've been wondering for years whether Skrulls would belong to the MCU or the Fantastic Four on the movie side of things. Perhaps it would be split rights, similar to Pietro and Wanda.

And of course, we usually don't see Skrulls disguised as stone tablets or whatever, but maybe in the MCU that stone form is how they "sleep during hyperspace" or something like that.


You have to admit, bringing the Kree, Inhumans, and Skrulls to earth all on AOS would be pretty funny, since AOS was sold as the non-powered common person's street-level look at the MCU, and here it could potentially open up the whole cosmic side of all sort of aliens and stuff.

Now that said, it's probably not a Skrull. But wouldn't that be fun?

In this case I tend to agree it's probably not a Skrull since this is supposedly something made by the Kree to kill Inhumans.

As far the rights go; I'm pretty sure they're available. IIRC the reason they used the Chitauri instead of Skrulls in Avengers was precisely because they needed the army to be disposable, plot-wise. Evidentially they thought it prudent to save the Skrulls for another day.

One interesting thing of note about the Skrulls: as a race of aliens that can look exactly like humans, they're very doable on a TV budget.

In all seriousness I can see them going down that route at some point along the way. Maybe they get wind that the old Kree super soldier program isn't as dead as they thought and decide to either get their retaliation in first, or take the weapon for themselves?

The Skrulls first appeared in Fantastic Four #2 so they're Fox's property.

The Kree first appeared in Fantastic Four #65, the Inhumans (officially) in Fantastic Four #45, and Black Panther in Fantastic Four #52. Just because they first appeared in the Fantastic Four doesn't mean the Skrull are Fox property. Many reports I've heard strongly suggest that the Skrulls are shared, but the Super Skrull belongs only to Fox.

 

[Reverend]

I can think of one shape-shifting thing in the comics that likes to kill Kree...


Of course we've been wondering for years whether Skrulls would belong to the MCU or the Fantastic Four on the movie side of things. Perhaps it would be split rights, similar to Pietro and Wanda.

And of course, we usually don't see Skrulls disguised as stone tablets or whatever, but maybe in the MCU that stone form is how they "sleep during hyperspace" or something like that.


You have to admit, bringing the Kree, Inhumans, and Skrulls to earth all on AOS would be pretty funny, since AOS was sold as the non-powered common person's street-level look at the MCU, and here it could potentially open up the whole cosmic side of all sort of aliens and stuff.

Now that said, it's probably not a Skrull. But wouldn't that be fun?

In this case I tend to agree it's probably not a Skrull since this is supposedly something made by the Kree to kill Inhumans.

As far the rights go; I'm pretty sure they're available. IIRC the reason they used the Chitauri instead of Skrulls in Avengers was precisely because they needed the army to be disposable, plot-wise. Evidentially they thought it prudent to save the Skrulls for another day.

One interesting thing of note about the Skrulls: as a race of aliens that can look exactly like humans, they're very doable on a TV budget.

In all seriousness I can see them going down that route at some point along the way. Maybe they get wind that the old Kree super soldier program isn't as dead as they thought and decide to either get their retaliation in first, or take the weapon for themselves?

The Skrulls first appeared in Fantastic Four #2 so they're Fox's property.

The lastest I had read from last year seemed to indicate that Marvel has at least some rights to the Skrulls. Kevin Feige and James Gunn both have made statements that the Skrulls could have appeared in MCU movies.

Yeah, according to Kevin Feige: "...there are some contractual limitations about who can do what when it comes to Skrulls"

It may be as simple as not being able to call them by name. After all, they already indirectly hinted at their existence with the Inhuman backstory. I mean the Kree were in a protracted war with *someone*, no?

 

[DEWLine]

The wordmark puts me in mind of both the classic Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD wordmark and some of the anthology titles Marvel used to publish.

Ryan Sook, right?

 

[DEWLine]

The story behind Theta Protocol might be worth a heist-movie or mini-series in itself.

 

[bbjeg]

Thanks for sharing kitik.

After a rewatch, I'm getting a strong feeling that the pendant Gonzales gave Jiaying will come into play in the finale. It might be hard for Shield to believe Gonzales tried to kill her but wanted to show sentiment first. As for the other Inhumans, they probably will believe whatever Jia tells them.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I have a suspicion that things will play out so that Jiaying ends up deposed and Raina becomes leader of Afterlife...making her the devil that SHIELD knows, who's willing to deal with them on her own terms.

One assumes this will end with Hunter going after Bobbie and most likely putting Ward down for good. I mean they can't possibly keep him on the show after this can they?

That's what people were saying last year....

Graviton being absorbed by the Gravitonium was very, very early in Season 1. I'd wager as early as episode 4,5or6. I still can't believe that haven't revisited that, especially after Hydra broke The Fridge open.

Garrett's people took the gravitonium and he gave it to Quinn. Quinn made off with it late last season, in the finale I think.

 

[Mr Light]

The way Gonzalez talked to Coulson about the movie,

Spoiler: movie

he made it sound like Coulson actually participated in the events of the movie. I wonder if he was there on the Helicarrier and we just didn't see him?! I'd love to see a flashback on the show of him on there. That'd be awesome to show him working the lifeboats or on the bridge, and he had to duck out of sight when Thor flies by or something!

Hey... maybe the entire crew of hundreds of people repairing the Helicarrier were all Koenig LMDs!

 

[kitik]

I've been wondering about Cal since last night. Is it possible that Jiaying sent him off with Shield not only knowing that he'd cause trouble, but also hoping that Shield would put him down permanently, and get him out of her hair. Nasty way to dispose of an ex, if true.

Hey... maybe the entire crew of hundreds of people repairing the Helicarrier were all Koenig LMDs!

I had the same thought.

 

[Christopher]

I've been wondering about Cal since last night. Is it possible that Jiaying sent him off with Shield not only knowing that he'd cause trouble, but also hoping that Shield would put him down permanently, and get him out of her hair. Nasty way to dispose of an ex, if true.

No, I think she and Cal are colluding. Remember those empty vials they found on him? And the talk about the formula he took to give him strength (Gordon called it his "Muscle Milk")? He didn't have any of that formula on him already. He needed the resources to make it. And he wouldn't have been able to get hold of any of Afterlife's resources without Jiaying's approval. So she arranged to give him that formula. He's her Trojan Horse -- he turns himself in to the enemy as a prisoner, and then... well, see the "cover" posted above.

 

[kitik]

No, I think she and Cal are colluding. Remember those empty vials they found on him? And the talk about the formula he took to give him strength (Gordon called it his "Muscle Milk")? He didn't have any of that formula on him already. He needed the resources to make it. And he wouldn't have been able to get hold of any of Afterlife's resources without Jiaying's approval. So she arranged to give him that formula. He's her Trojan Horse -- he turns himself in to the enemy as a prisoner, and then... well, see the "cover" posted above.

Sure, that's what they want us to think, but I don't trust Jiaying. Presumably Cal is going to overhear that she was shot, and that is going to set him off.

But I think Cal's character needs a bit more tragedy for his arc to finish. And what better way than to be betrayed by the ones he loves so much?

 

[Christopher]

Sure, that's what they want us to think, but I don't trust Jiaying.

Huh? My whole point is that Jiaying has been treacherous all along. So how is "I don't trust Jiaying" a counterargument?

Presumably Cal is going to overhear that she was shot, and that is going to set him off.

He doesn't need to be "set off." The vials they found on him were nearly empty. He's already taken the formula. He already intends to attack once he gets to SHIELD HQ. And the only way he could've arranged that is with Jiaying's cooperation. She doesn't have to trick him; they're working together. She convinces the Inhumans that SHIELD is the enemy and they need to strike against it, and at the same time, Cal attacks SHIELD from within. A two-pronged, coordinated attack.

 

[Star Wolf]

The way Gonzalez talked to Coulson about the movie,

Spoiler: movie

he made it sound like Coulson actually participated in the events of the movie. I wonder if he was there on the Helicarrier and we just didn't see him?! I'd love to see a flashback on the show of him on there. That'd be awesome to show him working the lifeboats or on the bridge, and he had to duck out of sight when Thor flies by or something!

Hey... maybe the entire crew of hundreds of people repairing the Helicarrier were all Koenig LMDs!

He got the intelligence about sceptre and Dr List which the movie ignored but the TV watcher knows set everything in motion

 

[Christopher]

^Well, I wouldn't say "ignored." That implies contradiction, and the film and the show actually meshed pretty well. Also, the film was written and shot first, so it couldn't ignore something that didn't exist yet. Rather, it did its own thing, and the show was then written to tie into it.