Ward hasn't been seen since the mid season finale. He also missed a couple of episodes when he was still in the cage.
Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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^We haven't seen Ward since "What They Become" back in December. There have been three episodes since then, and Dalton is apparently no longer listed among the regular cast. (Edit: Oops, cross-posted.)
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The second part is a long shot (understatement, I know) but editing current stories isn't impossible. For example, after the actress who plays Sasha on The Walking Dead got pregnant, even though they had a deeper role set up for her prior to learning she was pregnant, they removed those scenes. The same can be said about Storm and Days of Futures Past. They aren't exact examples but they're both instances where stories were written and later edited due to outside forces.
Edit: I forgot to mention Fury's appearance in the first Iron Man movie. That scene was added after almost everything was rapped up.
As for the Hawkeye theory, he was a Shield agent long before he was an Avenger and Fury let Cap and Widow believe that he was dead until he had Hill retrieve them. I doubt he'd make any long distance call to anyone saying he was alive, even to Hawkeye. Coulson himself almost missed his badge glowing, revealing Fury's hidden base. It's possible Hawkeye threw his badge away right after the dump. It's also plausible that EJO is a powerful contact of his and upon Shield's fall, Hawkeye gathered what he could putting EJO at the head, not knowing of Coulson and learning of Hand's death. Plus, Hawkeye and Mockingbird have a thing in the comics and like I said before, Hawkeye thinks Coulson is dead (well, probably not any more if I'm right) and he'd know about the Toolbox (which is why I doubt Talbot is behind it).
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^I would think that if the writers of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. wanted to introduce Norman Osborn, then they would do so with him as a businessman, not a veteran S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, in order to pay homage to the source material. After all, Oscorp is a critical part of Green Goblin's background.
Well, I'm pretty sure Coulson wouldn't send agents to take Gonzalez down from the inside, without even talking to the other group. Mac and Mockingbird know Coulson's team isn't evil and have been doing good work (even if they don't agree with him about Skye), but they're still going to try to take them down, probably with extreme prejudice. So, Gonzalez seems like a fairly corrupt guy. He has no reason not to just talk to Coulson, but instead he's going full Hydra on them. This whole storyline is BS and pointless.
They've spent a lot of time with Coulson. If they're not with him, then they're traitor's and deserve what Ward deserves. I certainly don't want them to remain on the main cast. If ward can't, then they shouldn't. They're trying to take out an organization that is legitimately keeping people safe, all because their BS "SHIELD"...wants to protect their trademark, I guess.
The only way I see this having a satisfying ending is with Mac, Mockingbird and Gonzales getting put down, and Coulson absorbing or demolishing their fake "SHIELD". I don't actually think that will happen, they'll probably drag out the story, have Gonzales destroy the real SHIELD at the season finale and spend all of season 4 having Coulson rebuild or just try to destroy Gonzales's group. It seems like they're repeating the post Winter Solider storyline, but incompetently. I hope I'm wrong, I love AoS. But this storyline is just stupid.
Coulson is in the wrong Kirk55555.
Fortunately he is the hero of the story, but that just makes him Hannibal leading the A-Team. A criminal in the eyes of the law that keeps doing nice things for no reason anyone with a badge cares about.
Was there an episode of the A-Team where they went up against a fake A-Team put into position by the US Government to screw with the A-Team?
Have you heard about the US Civil War? It used to be a thing. There was a Northside and a Southside and like 1990's OG rappers they thought that they were real and the other ####ers were posers. Both Jefferson Davis and Lincoln were insistent that any fool could see that it was they who were the real president of both the North and South and not the other.
Coulson will of course prevail and eventually get all the legal power and authority to be S.H.I.E.L.D. that he does not currently have, and the other shield does have, but that's not the truth at the moment, and maybe not be the short-game in the story telling they're giving us at the moment.
Are you sure that Fury didn't tell 5 other guys that they were S.H.I.E.L.D. and only they could carry the torch in these dark times overrun by Hydra? Fury is Middlemanagement and really shouldn't have the legal authority to ignore his bosses and run a black budget operation without oversight or tacit approval from someone on the World Security Council, or a Country.
Fortunately he is the hero of the story, but that just makes him Hannibal leading the A-Team. A criminal in the eyes of the law that keeps doing nice things for no reason anyone with a badge cares about.
Was there an episode of the A-Team where they went up against a fake A-Team put into position by the US Government to screw with the A-Team?
Have you heard about the US Civil War? It used to be a thing. There was a Northside and a Southside and like 1990's OG rappers they thought that they were real and the other ####ers were posers. Both Jefferson Davis and Lincoln were insistent that any fool could see that it was they who were the real president of both the North and South and not the other.
Coulson will of course prevail and eventually get all the legal power and authority to be S.H.I.E.L.D. that he does not currently have, and the other shield does have, but that's not the truth at the moment, and maybe not be the short-game in the story telling they're giving us at the moment.
Are you sure that Fury didn't tell 5 other guys that they were S.H.I.E.L.D. and only they could carry the torch in these dark times overrun by Hydra? Fury is Middlemanagement and really shouldn't have the legal authority to ignore his bosses and run a black budget operation without oversight or tacit approval from someone on the World Security Council, or a Country.
kirk55555, where are you getting the idea that Gonzales wants to destroy Coulson, or that Mac and Bobbi want to take him down "with extreme prejudice"? Putting someone other than Coulson in charge of SHIELD doesn't mean putting two bullets in the back of his head.
Brand consistency.
There can only be one.
Coulson might follow any orders to submit to assimilation if he can see that those orders are righteous and legal.
He actually should (if they are righteous and legal.).
Real S.H.I.E.L.D. has to make sure that they can beat Coulson before they ask him politely to sign over all his assets and report for duty on the off chance that he chooses to be unreasonable, while making sure that they can put him down cleanly if he chooses to ignore his duty S.H.I.E.L.D. and the countries it represents which is probably including America.
Sun Tzu for ####s sake.
Know your enemy's resources beforehand and chose the battleground.
There can only be one.
Coulson might follow any orders to submit to assimilation if he can see that those orders are righteous and legal.
He actually should (if they are righteous and legal.).
Real S.H.I.E.L.D. has to make sure that they can beat Coulson before they ask him politely to sign over all his assets and report for duty on the off chance that he chooses to be unreasonable, while making sure that they can put him down cleanly if he chooses to ignore his duty S.H.I.E.L.D. and the countries it represents which is probably including America.
Sun Tzu for ####s sake.
Know your enemy's resources beforehand and chose the battleground.
The "SHIELD vs. SHIELD" story will only be interesting if the other group has some kind of legitimacy. Coulson has legitimacy because he is Fury's hand-picked, raised-from-the-dead successor. We don't know what the other group's claim to legitimacy is yet or why they didn't contact Coulson directly. The implication is that their philosophy in dealing with the "inhuman" issue is less tolerant than our guys, but they will have valid points to make-- as foreshadowed by Bobbie, Mack, and Simmons' reactions to Fitz lying about Skye.
I hope they don't totally alienate Bobbie and Mack, though. Mack became one of my favorite characters when he befriended Fitz and helped him with his brain damage issues in a way that none of his friends could.
I hope they don't totally alienate Bobbie and Mack, though. Mack became one of my favorite characters when he befriended Fitz and helped him with his brain damage issues in a way that none of his friends could.
Mack and Fitz made great buddies.
They are setting Bobbie up to switch sides.
Notice her looks every time someone mentions loyalty and betrayal of friends to her?
She is already deeply conflicted.
Mack on the other hand will go through with his mission and might try to turn a few of the other agents along the way.
Notice her looks every time someone mentions loyalty and betrayal of friends to her?
She is already deeply conflicted.
Mack on the other hand will go through with his mission and might try to turn a few of the other agents along the way.
Sydney Bristo not telling Dixon that he is a terrorist, because he thinks that he is in the CIA doing good, and he didn't need to know the dangerous truth.
Nikita... Well they thought that they were working for the government, and sometimes in some versions of the story she was, and in others they were murdered the instant they stepped out of line, which was a surprise. 2 x TV Shows, and 2 x Movies (+ Leon the Professional.)
Admiral Cain choosing to ignore the legitimacy of Rosilin's presidency, and Adama killing so many people to up set that legal way of thinking.
Section 31.
Dylan Hunt spent 2 years pulling the 3 galaxies back together into a new Commonwealth only to find a completely intact arm of the old Common Wealth intact (hiding in a nebula) with working government and space navy, who was not overly happy that he was stealing their bag with no respect for their own time table.
Green, purple, green, purple, green...
Grand Admiral Thrawn had built a second empire 4 times the size of the Original Galactic Empire before the fall of the Galactic Empire, who waited until the rebellion was all but spent and "job well done" before announcing that Daddy was home.
Donnie Brasco.
17 different cute girls had been revolving in and out of the pop band the Sugarbabes, four at a time. Who are the real Sugarbabes?
Seldon's first Foundation hunted Seldon's second Foundation till they committed mass suicide rather than admit that they were asshole nosey telepathic micromanagers, or at least tricked the first foundation into thinking that that's what happened.
Ireland vs Northern Ireland.
Nikita... Well they thought that they were working for the government, and sometimes in some versions of the story she was, and in others they were murdered the instant they stepped out of line, which was a surprise. 2 x TV Shows, and 2 x Movies (+ Leon the Professional.)
Admiral Cain choosing to ignore the legitimacy of Rosilin's presidency, and Adama killing so many people to up set that legal way of thinking.
Section 31.
Dylan Hunt spent 2 years pulling the 3 galaxies back together into a new Commonwealth only to find a completely intact arm of the old Common Wealth intact (hiding in a nebula) with working government and space navy, who was not overly happy that he was stealing their bag with no respect for their own time table.
Green, purple, green, purple, green...
Grand Admiral Thrawn had built a second empire 4 times the size of the Original Galactic Empire before the fall of the Galactic Empire, who waited until the rebellion was all but spent and "job well done" before announcing that Daddy was home.
Donnie Brasco.
17 different cute girls had been revolving in and out of the pop band the Sugarbabes, four at a time. Who are the real Sugarbabes?
Incapable of even using their own technology any more because they were so racially impure, the Daleks used ancient archived DNA to create a new faction of old timey Daleks who's vehement racism acted as a workaround on their creator's super vanity that forbade non-tactical suicide.
Seldon's first Foundation hunted Seldon's second Foundation till they committed mass suicide rather than admit that they were asshole nosey telepathic micromanagers, or at least tricked the first foundation into thinking that that's what happened.
Ireland vs Northern Ireland.
I was thinking of the Admiral Cain analogy also. I'm gonna have my eyes and ears open for a "Pegasus" allusion.
We should let things pan out before completely giving up on it. Though this latest turn of events seems like a step down from what we've been given this season, it may all turn out to be better.
Would that be the Fury who is officially dead? Keeping in mind that only a handful of people know he's still kicking, it's easy to see why this other SHIELD faction don't exactly trust Coulson. Indeed, from the outside it could easily look like he swiped the toolbox and began building his own personal power base.
Mind you, from some of the thing Mac has said it seems as if he and probably the others don't think very highly of Fury, probably hold him responsible (and rightly so) for the current situation. So they probably wouldn't care even *if* they knew Fury was alive and hand picked Coulson.
They probably also assumed Hill was just another sellout as she went straight to Stark before the dust had even settled.
Because Mac and Mockingbird keep talking about how they're going to take SHIELD down? The only way to stop Coulson/May/etc from staying in business is to permanently take them down. If Gonzales's group was willing to do something less extreme, they'd actually talk to Coulson, not infiltrate SHIELD for the stated purpose of taking it down.
I'm pretty sure Mac has been wanting to do that for awhile. Maybe he's going to at least try to kill Skye (probably with Simmons help, since Simmons is about ready to become the MCU's equivalent Bolivar Trask anyway, except she probably hates inhumans more than Trask hated mutants) and that might be when Skye starts getting control of her powers, leading to a victory for Coulson and his team and Gonzales and his friends getting locked in a deep, dark hole. I don't know, it could go several irritating ways.
Personally, I'm hoping for Mockingbird, Mac, Gonzales and Simmons dead, Skye in control of her powers and Coulson's SHIELD coming out on top. I doubt it will happen though, and I think that the most likely scenario is the season ending with Coulson's SHIELD destroyed, Skye a prisoner of Gonzales or reluctantly teaming up with her Dad to escape him, all leading to Coulson's team reforming (again) and taking down Gonzales's team next season.
Regardless, while I really enjoy AoS I think this idiotic SHIELD vs Fake SHIELD story is the worst thing since the first part of Season 1, and I don't think the show will ever be able to work with Mac and Mockingbird after the story arc (assuming that they, unfortunately, survive the storyline).
Well, which is the fake SHIELD?
And the whole 'fake SHIELD' reveal was maybe 5 seconds of screentime. That's not long enough to be idiotic yet.
What I would like to see is that curly hair guy Shield tech that Rumlow ordered to launch the helicarriers immediately that refused even though he was very scared for his life. I can't even find his name but it was one of the best scenes in the movie. If he's with this "real" Shield, that would really be cool.
If Fury, being dead at the time (not for tax purposes) wasn't authorized to give away that "toolbox" then that really could be why they have odds with Coulson, who is also dead, or was.
Maybe the real shield is prejudiced against the living impared. (can't say dead, not pc)
If Fury, being dead at the time (not for tax purposes) wasn't authorized to give away that "toolbox" then that really could be why they have odds with Coulson, who is also dead, or was.
Maybe the real shield is prejudiced against the living impared. (can't say dead, not pc)
