Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[The Old Mixer]

That's true, he said that, and the three new team members (Bobbi, Lance, and Mack) were in agreement that Skye needed to be handled. I was mainly just saying that they never agreed that she needed to be destroyed, and they all fought the Kree dude to stop him from destroying her.

Hyperbole, dude, hyperbole....

Hang on (again). From all that exchange, Alidar Jarok made a really good point. It wasn't the first season team members who were freaking out over Skye, it was the second season additions. Jemma seemed pretty cool in the end about it and more concerned about losing trust with Fitz.

Applying it to all three newcomers, AJ's point is that, for all we know, there's nothing hypocritical in their stance. This could actually be quite revealing about whatever infiltration Bobbi and Mack are up to. Maybe they have an anti-Avenger agenda.

I never accused anyone specific on the show of hypocrisy...that's you two putting words in my mouth.

My brief little post that sparked this Very Serious Discussion was...hyperbole.

My point being that the show has been laying it on a bit thick with the whole fear/distrust/eradication of dirty muti...er, inhumies angle, now that Skye has powers.

I didn't think there'd even be anyone around to read my post...I could hear crickets chirping in here during and immediately after the episode. I was shouting something silly in an empty room to hear it echo.

Oh noes! Hyperbole again! Destroy me / eradicate me / lock me in an Asgardian dungeon / whatever!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Terrigenesis has been happening off and on for centuries?

Diviners can be reused?

Odin would have been aware, and made his peace with it, but this might be completely new information to Loki.

Inhumans numbering into the dozens, can't be of any interest to Loki, but if he can reverse engineer the process, what about an army of Ingods?

Could the Terrigen be an infinity stone?

The diviners could be pieces to a 3d puzzel?

 

[Guy Gardener]

When are we going to replace text here with screaming youtubes?

 

[Marsden]

Favorite line...

Coulson: "How did you subdue her?"
Portugese Police Chief: "I told her I knew who Kaka (whetever) was, and I would bring him to her."
Coulson: "But I'm not Kaka."
Chief: "And I am very happy that I am not the one who has to tell her that."

Kava. but not important.


My favorite line was with Sif later
(from memory)
Sif: There are things that you do not understand
Coulson: Like this conversation?

Wow. A Kree just showed up! Cool. I wonder what else will show up, now! I really like how this season doesn't seem to be afraid to show more MCU things.

 

[bbjeg]

Another good episode. I'm quite enjoying this season.

We know Mac and Bobbi aren't working for Hydra and I think I heard Coulson say "I'll tell Hill to add it to the list" or something like that so I don't think they're working for Stark because it sounds like Hill's already in contact with Coulson (and giving him stuff). I'm still thinking they're working for S.T.R.I.K.E. or S.W.O.R.D. (even though SWORD could easily be a Fox property but I doubt they'll use them because they'll look like they're copying off of S.H.I.E.L.D.).

Honestly, I'm mostly trying to figure out the extent of Heimdall's sight. I mean he can spot Jane Foster from the far side of the universe, on a planet of seven billion other humans, but not the one lone Kree? ...

Ever play Where's Waldo? Your eyes are capable of finding him but that doesn't mean you always find him immediately at first glance.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This should answer your questions...

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmhEg-nDGJA[/yt]

 

[cylkoth]

They're still laying it on a bit thick. This is a world where they sell action figures of the Hulk...but a girl starts a few minor earthquakes and everyone's like "FREAK! SHE MUST BE DESTROYED!"

Waitasec. It was the only Kree dude calling for that. The Team was protecting Skye, and Sif only wanted to take her to Asgard. Right?

Mac said at the end that instead of protecting Skye, they should be protecting themselves.

That being said, we don't know how he feels about the Hulk either, so it's disingenuous to suggest he's being hypocritical.

We should keep in mind that SHIELD has had 'supers' on it's radar long before the individual powered Avengers showed up. So Mack's anti mutie-er, inhumie-erm, anti superpower attitude, is perfectly in line with how the organization handled those with abilities. They've created an "Index" as Skye's dad ranted on about, and past episodes showing they kept track of people who may have developed powers that made them dangerous, or who could be exploited.

 

[Reverend]

Terrigenesis has been happening off and on for centuries?

Diviners can be reused?

Odin would have been aware, and made his peace with it, but this might be completely new information to Loki.

Inhumans numbering into the dozens, can't be of any interest to Loki, but if he can reverse engineer the process, what about an army of Ingods?

Could the Terrigen be an infinity stone?

The diviners could be pieces to a 3d puzzel?

The implication seems to be that for whatever reason, terragenesis *only* seems to work with humans and not on any of the other species they tried this on. So who's to say it'll work with Asgardians any better?

I can however see Loki having use for some super-powered minions on a backwater planet the rest of the universe isn't even interested in. I mean sure, he has Sif and the army of Asgard to do his bidding, but there's only so far he can push that without tipping his hand. Remember, he has to be thinking that it's only a matter of time before Thanos tracks him down and he's seen what just one or two super-powered humans can do.

As for the diviners: perhaps they don't just store the crystals but can fabricate/re-generate them over time?

 

[Christopher]

My only problem here was with the ending. How come Skye showed no aftereffects from shooting herself in the arm? Not even a bandage, and her mobility was totally unimpaired. Is that another of her superpowers they forgot to mention?

EDIT: Oh, wait a minute, did she shoot herself with an Icer? That would explain it. Makes it less of a dramatic gesture, though.

Also, am I forgetting some episode where the team learned more about the Kree? Last time we saw Sif, she couldn't help them narrow down "blue humanoid alien" to fewer than seven species. This time, the team immediately concluded that Pete from Warehouse 13 was a Kree before they even tracked him down. How do they know so much more about the Kree now? We audience members know because we've seen Guardians of the Galaxy, but that film had no connection to present-day Earth, so there's no reason the SHIELD team should have gained any more knowledge of the Kree than before, unless I'm forgetting something from an episode.

Marvel is really rolling out the D-list next week. Is the MCU ready for Angar the Screamer?

Hmm. His description reminds me of a villain from the '40s Superman radio series, a crook who was struck by lightning at a sound laboratory and whose voice became lethally super-loud. It was a clever story since it turned one of Superman's powers, his super-hearing, into a severe weakness, leaving him almost helpless before the guy. It was also one of the only radio storylines featuring a villain with that kind of comics-style superpower origin.

 

[JD]

Yeah, Sky shot herself with an icer. If you watch when she shoots herself theres a blue flash, rather than a regular gun flash.
I have to admit, I was expecting the agents first face to face with a living Kree to be a big event episode, especially given the ties to GoTG, but I only found out about it a few hours before the episode aired in a brief little story on CBR.
I love Warehouse 13 so I got a kick out of seeing Eddie McClintock.
The stuff with Sif was fun.
I was a little surprised how some of the team members did react, but I think given all of the less pleasant encounters they've had with superhumans, and the fact that Skye couldn't control her powers it did kind of make sense. I think the bigger issue for them was more the lack of control, than the powers themselves.
It is interesting that Sif was sent after another superpowered being by "Odin". Is he collecting these people for something?
I was kind of disappointed that Vin-tak wasn't a xxx-Vel. I was hoping maybe this would be the begins of a Captain Marvel.
I am glad they actually reveal Skye's powers to the rest of the team so soon. I think it'll be a lot more interesting to see her working with them to learn about and use them.
So we did get confirmation that Mack and Bobbi aren't Hydra, but they don't necessarily appear to be entirely on our team's side.

 

[bbjeg]

@ Christopher, I can't remember the episode but I think Skye's father told her as well as Hydra about the Kree IIRC.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Makes it less of a dramatic gesture, though.

How so? She disabled herself, saving anyone from the possibility of a superpower outburst, and allowed herself to be captured. How is that not overflowing with self-sacrifice?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Shooting yourself with an icer is less of a dramatic gesture than shooting your self with a gun.

Especially if you happen to die from the gunshot wound.

Having a nap is sorta less of a dramatic gesture than suicide.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Shooting yourself with an icer is less of a dramatic gesture than shooting your self with a gun.

Especially if you happen to die from the gunshot wound.

Having a nap is sorta less of a dramatic gesture than suicide.

Well, given that them locking her up for life, whether on Earth or Asgard, and/or the Kree getting his hands on her (which would have resulted in her death) were possibilities, I'm not seeing it. She had no guarantee of waking up at all, and frankly an expectation of being in a really bad situation if she did.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

EDIT: Oh, wait a minute, did she shoot herself with an Icer? That would explain it. Makes it less of a dramatic gesture, though.

Simmons did just increase the dendrotoxin in the rounds to potentially dangerous levels in order to take down the new Inhuman threats they were facing (which they argued about in the episode), and it hadn't been tested yet, so she was still taking a major risk.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Simmons did just increase the dendrotoxin in the rounds to potentially dangerous levels in order to take down the new Inhuman threats they were facing (which they argued about in the episode), and it hadn't been tested yet, so she was still taking a major risk.

Oh cool, I missed that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Was she afraid of the Earthquake she was making, or of how xenophobic her buds were?

Did Skye think that she was going to destroy the surrounding city?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Also, am I forgetting some episode where the team learned more about the Kree? Last time we saw Sif, she couldn't help them narrow down "blue humanoid alien" to fewer than seven species. This time, the team immediately concluded that Pete from Warehouse 13 was a Kree before they even tracked him down. How do they know so much more about the Kree now? We audience members know because we've seen Guardians of the Galaxy, but that film had no connection to present-day Earth, so there's no reason the SHIELD team should have gained any more knowledge of the Kree than before, unless I'm forgetting something from an episode.

It was in episode 1x15: Yes Men that Lady Sif mentioned the blue alien species: Interdites, Levians, Pheragots, Kree, Sarks, Centaurians, and Frost Giants.

In this episode, it was the additional piece of information about requiring heightened levels of nitrogen that finally clued them in that it was a Kree as opposed to one of the others.

I'm guessing they've gathered more intelligence from the Asgardians about alien threats to Earth since the events in The Avengers and Thor 2, with a focus on blue-skinned species as a result of the TAHITI program and the alien city.

Alternatively, something with the name Kree could have been in all the alien map info in Coulson's head that he and Skye studied, and the combination of blue skin and higher nitrogen dependency clued her in that it was a Kree.

Skye also mentioned a little in-joke about KreePete turning from blue to pink with the camofluage device he was wearing.

 

[Enterprise1701]

^Well just before they arrived in Puerto Rico, Raina told Skye her grandmother's stories that ancient humans called the builders of the diviners and the underground city blue angels/the Kree. Coulson's team was heading to Puerto Rico in part because of blue corpse G.H., who was recovered by the S.S.R. along with a diviner from Reinhardt/Whitehall in 1945. I guess Coulson's team put two and two together and figured that a blue-skinned alien was a Kree.

How did Vin-Tak get to Earth anyway? Sif didn't take any spacecraft with her and Vin-Tak. I wonder if he has heard about Peter Quill, the human who helped save Xandar.

I also wonder how far-reaching does the organized Inhuman movement go. And what are their intentions? I can hardly imagine what would happen if more Kree arrived on Earth and met the them.

 

[Christopher]

^Okay, so I guess they did get info on the Kree after all. Good to know.