Someone among them must have said,
"So far this movie sucks!"
"What could we do to make it better (suck less)?"
"I have an idea! Let's kill Data!"
"good idea! That will definitely make the movie not suck"
"Yeah!"
So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".
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Someone among them must have said,
"So far this movie sucks!"
"What could we do to make it better (suck less)?"
"I have an idea! Let's kill Data!"
"good idea! That will definitely make the movie not suck"
"Yeah!"
And again....Trying to copy TWOK and it being an epic fail.
In TWOK you have the genesis torpedo activated. Spock quickly assessing the situation, going to the engine room, struggling to fix the warp mains while in great pain while McCoy and Scotty are screaming desperately for him to get out of there, fixing it just in time, Kirk's realization of something horrible happened, rushing down know time is short, a touching good bye to his best friend and loyal subordinate and an emotional send when they shoot his coffin out the photon tube.......All played out with great drama and emotion over several minutes.
Data you had him pin the badge on Picard's chest, say good bye, fire his phaser destroying the ship, Picard and co on the bridge speechless with Picard leaving and that's it......Took about 30-45 seconds total. No drama, no tension......just "Well, Data's dead...this really sucks but life goes on."
Transporters go down and everyone is stuck, but there is hangar deck full of shuttles equipped with transporter units. Maybe not as long range, but in most cases they would do.
Phasers are only as powerful as the particular scene drama needs- the Next Generation phaser 2 was capable of removing the top to a mountain, but if you fire it at someone it gets blocked by a rock. Phaser rifles are not any more powerful, they just look cooler to run around with. Phasers can emit a beam for as long as you hold the trigger down, but nobody fires them and just sweeps an area.
Phasers are only as powerful as the particular scene drama needs- the Next Generation phaser 2 was capable of removing the top to a mountain, but if you fire it at someone it gets blocked by a rock. Phaser rifles are not any more powerful, they just look cooler to run around with. Phasers can emit a beam for as long as you hold the trigger down, but nobody fires them and just sweeps an area.
Data managed to put his Katra inside his dumbass brother's head. Too bad there won't be a search for Data movie...
Points mentioned previously. Shinzon attempt to destroy Earth came from his partnership with the Romulan military and not any desire on his own part. He had agreed to do it in exchange for their support.
i don't know. He seems really pissed at humanity and keeps making statements to that effect. By all logic, he should hate Romulans and not trust them at all.
Without an explanation as to why he hates humans and the Federation so much, he comes off as, 'generic villain no 300, with generic reason to be a villain.'
Don't forget they lost the ability to do wide range blasts at some point, too. Stun an entire room with one shot? Well that's just... practical.
TWOK ... all debate over "There's no up/down in space" aside, in the midst of the Battle of the Mutara Nebula, here's what I never connected:
- Spock utters his famous "two-dimensional thinking line"
- Kirk commands "full stop!" and then "Z-minus 10,000 meters!"
- (POINT A) we see the Enterprise not moving forward, but straight "down", as if sliding down the Z-axis (instead of rotating around it as is typical), and I'll take a WAG that it's going down 10,000 meters
- Khan diddy-bops around the nebula a bit, futilely looking for the Enterprise.
- (POINT B) next time we see Enterprise, it "rises" up behind the Reliant and we all know what happens next
I know some time had passed and Kirk could have ordered some other maneuvers, but I've always had trouble connecting points A and B.
That all said, and any other plot-holes/deleted-scenes not withstanding, such a great moment. The first time I saw it in the theaters, several people loudly cheered
- Spock utters his famous "two-dimensional thinking line"
- Kirk commands "full stop!" and then "Z-minus 10,000 meters!"
- (POINT A) we see the Enterprise not moving forward, but straight "down", as if sliding down the Z-axis (instead of rotating around it as is typical), and I'll take a WAG that it's going down 10,000 meters
- Khan diddy-bops around the nebula a bit, futilely looking for the Enterprise.
- (POINT B) next time we see Enterprise, it "rises" up behind the Reliant and we all know what happens next
I know some time had passed and Kirk could have ordered some other maneuvers, but I've always had trouble connecting points A and B.
That all said, and any other plot-holes/deleted-scenes not withstanding, such a great moment. The first time I saw it in the theaters, several people loudly cheered
In Justice, they say that Wesley has committed a crime because he was in a punishment zone at the time he stepped on some plant and for a while they are unwilling to take Wesley away because that would violate a law, but even if by any chance Wesley was still in a punishment zone the moment they beam him away, the people doing the beaming will be on the ship, which couldn't possibly be in a punishment zone and therefore according to the laws of the planet they will have committed no crime. So they could just beam wesley up and go on their merry way, knowing that they will have violated no laws.
On the other hand , getting Wesley back is punishment enough.
On the other hand , getting Wesley back is punishment enough.
The TOS Enterprise could also stun an entire mob of people on a planet. One wonders why it wasn't used in the spinoffs -- certainly there were times when Picard or Sisko had to subdue one side of a conflict. It would've been handy without sending an Away Team to do it, or to knock out an entire battalion of soldiers during the Dominion War.
How about that scene from D.S.9. where Sisko is with somebody and a Dominian soldier appears out of a "cloak" and one of them fires before they get it. Sisko says, I'm glad one of us remembered they could do that."
Why don't the soldiers? Why are they continually racing and yelling in that battle on a planet from one D.S.9. episode? Why not stealthily move in and get 'em?
And I honestly don't get early seasons Data. He always seems to lack knowledge and experience of all kinds of basic things (despite having a deep memory bank), yet we know he served on other vessels and was highly decorated (in "The Most Toys" we see a case of his badges are honor which Geordi is surprised by). I think that was about 30 prior years of interaction with people in the Federation, and before that people in the colony where Soong lived. Shouldn't he be more greately knowledgable and exerpeince then we see?
And how come the Enterprise D has so many phaser banks, yet when it battle it seems they can never fire more than one at a time (well, I recall one episode where two were fired simutaneously).
And why, in some many emergencies where somebody says they only have minutes until destruction (like "the nth Degree" among others) are people only walking quickly or jogging quickly to another place on another deck? At times like this were the death of over a thousand people is imminent, should site-to-site transporters be used?
Why don't the soldiers? Why are they continually racing and yelling in that battle on a planet from one D.S.9. episode? Why not stealthily move in and get 'em?
And I honestly don't get early seasons Data. He always seems to lack knowledge and experience of all kinds of basic things (despite having a deep memory bank), yet we know he served on other vessels and was highly decorated (in "The Most Toys" we see a case of his badges are honor which Geordi is surprised by). I think that was about 30 prior years of interaction with people in the Federation, and before that people in the colony where Soong lived. Shouldn't he be more greately knowledgable and exerpeince then we see?
And how come the Enterprise D has so many phaser banks, yet when it battle it seems they can never fire more than one at a time (well, I recall one episode where two were fired simutaneously).
And why, in some many emergencies where somebody says they only have minutes until destruction (like "the nth Degree" among others) are people only walking quickly or jogging quickly to another place on another deck? At times like this were the death of over a thousand people is imminent, should site-to-site transporters be used?
Maybe he suffered some sort of memory loss? It pays to always back-up.
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The Jem'Hadar shrouding probably takes a degree of concentration, it is a biological ability. Presumably if they try to multi-task they get distracted sufficiently for the shroud not to work.
Yeah, that always bothered me too, Data is supposed to be in Starfleet long enough to be a Lieutenant Commander and acts like its his first time with humans. Similar problem with Worf, although with him there is the excuse the writers hadn't really put much development into the character or the nature of the Klingon/Federation alliance when TNG began.
Although, getting back to Data, something that always got me is that he can never figure out slang terms or casual talk, and yet in The Big Goodbye after accessing the files on Dixon Hill he's able to talk with 1940s slang with ease and uses the terms correctly.
The Siege of Ar-558 didn't make any sense in light of this. They didn't even use a rapid fire setting. It all seemed very similar to 19th century style rifle combat.
Has anyone ever notice that Starfleet and TNG had some serious civil rights issues for the first few seasons?
They center around Data and TNG.
They let him take an oath and join Starfleet, and gave him a commission, so they must have considered him a Fed citizen.
At least three separate times his freedom and rights are questioned:
Trying to force Data to transfer so they could force him to submit to a dangerous experiment. So they could study him.
Forcing Data to surrender his daughter into Starfleet custody whether she or he wants it or not. Just because they want to study her.
At this point Data's rights were already established.
In Clues, Picard told Data that Starfleet would likely strip him down to his bare wires when Data was being secretive about something--in order to protect the crew.
If you court martial someone, that doesn't mean you can dissect them. That would be like cracking open Riker's skull to know why he kept that secret about the Pegasus for so long.
If you're referring to Rocks And Shoals, they had lost their ability to shroud due to white withdrawal.
In addition to that, they were acing on orders from their Vorta which were set up to make them fail. Orders which the lead Jem'Hadar realized were flawed but followed anyway since that is "the order of things."
So what did cause the Vorta to lose their telekinesis?
Yeah I agree it's sketchy....but I forgive it because the shot of the Enterprise rising up slowly up behind the Reliant (complete with the awesome music) is one of my favorite goosebumps scenes ever. Every time I see it I just think "Surprise Khan!!!!!.....the Enterprise is about to majorly F you up"
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I have no problem with the Enterprise suddenly rising behind the Reliant. There is an ongoing battle between two starships - I do not need to hear every command given from both captains for it to work with me. There are a lot of sweeping turns both ships make that we never hear the command for either.
Maybe that was what they were going for, you're probably right. Other people didn't seem to have the problem with this episode that I did. It was too convoluted for me, though, especially when combined with the other part of the storyline happening at the same time. You can have a dying hybrid baby or you can have a flying moonbase, but not both!
Anyway, the hybridization process was flawed, as Phlox pointed out. Yeah, maybe the scientists didn't know that at the time, but did they think that no one would look into that and try to solve that medical mystery? All they managed to do was show that hybrid offspring were possible. To me, that would be like doing the first heart transplant to show that heart transplants are fatal!
Scientists: "It's not possible to make a human-alien hybrid child, so to prove that, er, we, um...well, we made a human-alien baby."
*audience collectively scratches heads*
Scientists: "But we're pretty sure it'll die, thus proving our point!"
Audience: "Boooo! Baby-killers!! Boooo! Save the baby!!"
That's why I nominate it for my "I just didn't get it" moment in Trek.
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