Well, then maybe it was time for it to stop.
Harry Kim's promotion... or lack of it.
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Well, then maybe it was time for it to stop.
TV here stopped airing it after one season, but it lasted three.
Maybe they burnt off the final two at 3am when I wasn't looking, or maybe the TVNZ Comptroller drew a line in the sand and said "NO FURTHER!"
Do you feel like you sat through 66 episodes over the course of three years?
Maybe they burnt off the final two at 3am when I wasn't looking, or maybe the TVNZ Comptroller drew a line in the sand and said "NO FURTHER!"
Do you feel like you sat through 66 episodes over the course of three years?
That's because Harry Kim as a character got derailed.
There is only so long that we can keep tossing around the "Harry was an ensign for seven years" ball, before we get bored and our conversation turns to more interesting things instead.
Personally, I always prefered Segar's original Popeye comic strips to the Fleischer animated cartoons, but YMMV.
How many times does harry get beat up during the show?
Not often? It's not like he started a lot of fights he couldn't win like Archer did.
If they kept Caretakers corpse, and they kept Kes' corpse, even though they didn't keep Hogans corpse, but what were they supposed to do, transport him half digested out of that giant snake? But my point is, if they kept those other corpses, did they keep the Naomi and Harry corpses from Deadlock?
So in all honesty does that make alive Harry a cockblocking Asshole for not setting his corpse up with Lyndsay Ballard from Ashes to Ashes?
If they kept Caretakers corpse, and they kept Kes' corpse, even though they didn't keep Hogans corpse, but what were they supposed to do, transport him half digested out of that giant snake? But my point is, if they kept those other corpses, did they keep the Naomi and Harry corpses from Deadlock?
So in all honesty does that make alive Harry a cockblocking Asshole for not setting his corpse up with Lyndsay Ballard from Ashes to Ashes?
Wow, good punchline! I had no idea where you were going with all this.
BTW, the giant worm did regurgitate hogan's skeleton since the lizard guy was able to retrieve almost all of it. Plus the uniform, what the hell happened to the solar still?
Seriously. Who cares. Well apparently a decent portion of fans AND Garrett.
The BOTTOM is a role. It's a role, a place, a person, an importance because without it the TOP would not exist.
Peeps need to embrace.
The BOTTOM is a role. It's a role, a place, a person, an importance because without it the TOP would not exist.
Peeps need to embrace.
Seems his role was mostly that of the dull guy who's intimidated by assertive women and manipulated by Tom Paris.
Wow, good punchline! I had no idea where you were going with all this.
BTW, the giant worm did regurgitate hogan's skeleton since the lizard guy was able to retrieve almost all of it. Plus the uniform, what the hell happened to the solar still?
You assume regurgitation?
I assumed that Hogan's skeleton was shat out as waste after what could be broken down for food in it's digestive track was broken down for food.
Maybe the meat was sucked off the bones, and the bones were coughed up if the snake had hands and fingers, but it didn't, so I'm doubling down on fecalization.
A top isn't necessarily always a top if you measure the worth of that position side by side with against a power bottom.
Even after dozens of rewatches of 'Revulsion', I still cringe when he has his chance with Seven and totally stammers his way out of a good time.
YOU FOOL!!!
He didn't make a decision.
That was pure impulse, or maybe instinct.
There was something wrong, very wrong and...
Last time Kim tried to have sex with a pretty girl, she had tried to eat him.
He was still traumatized from the events of Favourite Son a few weeks earlier.
Maybe Harry had begun his recovery, coming to terms that all women weren't trying to eat him, which is why he thought some light dating was dooable, but there's no way he'd yet deluded himself into believing that not only women who want to melt his fat for gravy are the only woman who would offer him intercourse without begging.
That was pure impulse, or maybe instinct.
There was something wrong, very wrong and...
Last time Kim tried to have sex with a pretty girl, she had tried to eat him.
He was still traumatized from the events of Favourite Son a few weeks earlier.
Maybe Harry had begun his recovery, coming to terms that all women weren't trying to eat him, which is why he thought some light dating was dooable, but there's no way he'd yet deluded himself into believing that not only women who want to melt his fat for gravy are the only woman who would offer him intercourse without begging.
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Harry was right. 7 was damaged goods. His mommy or starfleet training kicked in, or maybe he was just basically a decent person if such a thing can spring from nature not just nuture and he said no. Now the way he said no, aka the stammering, opens him up for ridicule but frankly saying yes makes him at best an idiot and at worst a monster.
Janeway should have had higher hedges around her abused pet Borg. Unfortunately Janeway was a devout disciple of Fed propaganda and would not have believed HER people capable of taking advantage of the damaged 7 because, evolution. The Federation dominant cultures (ie Starfleet, Earth..) are wide open for predators thanks to this evolved nonsense they all tell themselves.
Harry made an ethically sound choice. despite circumstantial sexiness.
Janeway should have had higher hedges around her abused pet Borg. Unfortunately Janeway was a devout disciple of Fed propaganda and would not have believed HER people capable of taking advantage of the damaged 7 because, evolution. The Federation dominant cultures (ie Starfleet, Earth..) are wide open for predators thanks to this evolved nonsense they all tell themselves.
Harry made an ethically sound choice. despite circumstantial sexiness.
Well it's not like she was lookin' for love, just a little lovin'. If everyone applies those ethics, poor Seven never loses her virginity which she clearly is ready to do. In fact, one could argue that Harry's rejection hurts her more than it would if he went for it, look at her stunted dating practices and eventual relationship with Chakotay of all people - that vulture.
Given her limited choices, Harry's not a bad choice for a first time.
What's Janeway gonna do? Limit his career advancement? Janeway runs into a similar dilemma when Harry gets busy in 'The Disease'.
I think she makes Tom a Lieutenant not because of qualification, because it's leverage when he's naughty. She can't demote Harry to 'Not-Ensign'.
Given her limited choices, Harry's not a bad choice for a first time.
What's Janeway gonna do? Limit his career advancement? Janeway runs into a similar dilemma when Harry gets busy in 'The Disease'.
I think she makes Tom a Lieutenant not because of qualification, because it's leverage when he's naughty. She can't demote Harry to 'Not-Ensign'.
7 was just disconnected from the collective, she barely knew how to go to the toilet.
Please, give her some time. Then she can pick who she likes (Chak) or whatever. But right then literally five minutes between 7 years old and freed from Borgness? No. Sure she has One Million sex memories in her head but they sit alongside One Million screams of terror, death, loss, pain and lives lived. They are noise and she is a child.
Please, give her some time. Then she can pick who she likes (Chak) or whatever. But right then literally five minutes between 7 years old and freed from Borgness? No. Sure she has One Million sex memories in her head but they sit alongside One Million screams of terror, death, loss, pain and lives lived. They are noise and she is a child.
The problem is we can't really give Harry a gold star for being not an abuser and taking advantage of 7 because..
a. Anyone with a normal mind should have done the same
and
b. He didn't indicate this at all! He just acted terrified!
I want to believe Harry was decent but I think he was just freaked out
Putz.
a. Anyone with a normal mind should have done the same
and
b. He didn't indicate this at all! He just acted terrified!
I want to believe Harry was decent but I think he was just freaked out
Putz.
Which is why gentle, unassertive, non-threatening Harry is a perfect choice. It's HER assertiveness that diverts the encounter.
If someone like Paris had made the overture, I don't know if she would have been as willing.
Tom going after Kes is much more disturbing than Harry's gentlemanly overture towards Seven. Not to mention Kes and Neelix's 'relationship'. Yuck!
If someone like Paris had made the overture, I don't know if she would have been as willing.
Tom going after Kes is much more disturbing than Harry's gentlemanly overture towards Seven. Not to mention Kes and Neelix's 'relationship'. Yuck!
No one thought that Seven was damaged or traumatized.
In the 23rd century there were 7 mentally ill people.
A century more of advances in psychotherapy/psychopharmacology and they were probably down to 2 or three crazy people tops.
All of Seven's emotional issues could have been fixed with a pill?
Complete mental health in just 4 hours or your money back.
(Not that they have money in the 24th century.)
It's only our backward 20th century thinking which assumed that 20 years of slavery and trauma takes more than an hour to cure.
We were wrong.
Seven of Nine is obviously a healthy adult more than capable of starting a consensual sexual relationship with anyone interested in starting a consensual sexual relationship with her from the moment she released from sickbay at the end of Scorpion... If they're into bald chicks.
In the 23rd century there were 7 mentally ill people.
A century more of advances in psychotherapy/psychopharmacology and they were probably down to 2 or three crazy people tops.
All of Seven's emotional issues could have been fixed with a pill?
Complete mental health in just 4 hours or your money back.
(Not that they have money in the 24th century.)
It's only our backward 20th century thinking which assumed that 20 years of slavery and trauma takes more than an hour to cure.
We were wrong.
Seven of Nine is obviously a healthy adult more than capable of starting a consensual sexual relationship with anyone interested in starting a consensual sexual relationship with her from the moment she released from sickbay at the end of Scorpion... If they're into bald chicks.
He is a perfectly good choice, when it is her choice.
At the time of the scene she had no idea who she was. It would have been taking advantage of her if he'd taken her up on it. Give it some time, sure.
At the time of the scene she had no idea who she was. It would have been taking advantage of her if he'd taken her up on it. Give it some time, sure.
This is why I hate Star Trek.
