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Star Trek: Axanar

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Misunderstandings happen. People are passionate about this stuff, and we don't always like the same things or agree on how they should play out But let's not forget we all share an appreciation of the material, there's no real need to cross swords. No we don't all see things the same way, but I don't believe anyone here is trying to offend.

Me, I'm looking forward to Axanar, and seeing other peoples' reactions to it. :)
 
I'm wondering what the format of the film might be.

Will it be a documentary and consist of interviews with reinactments spaced in between like this extended trailer, or as a current story of a character or characters that are dealing with this event as it happens? And what is the scope of the event? Is it the whole four years or just the battle around Axanar? The way the preview is, it explains about 3 1/2 years of the war in a brief summary, will it pick up from there and need this extended preview to explain it or will they cover the same ground and just add to it? I hope that somehow we haven't already seen the first 20 minutes and they're just going to add 60 to 90 minutes more of the same. But maybe that's their intent.

Summing up, it was obviously past tense in the preview, will the whole movie be a past tense or current action?
 
I'm wondering what the format of the film might be.

Will it be a documentary and consist of interviews with reinactments spaced in between like this extended trailer, or as a current story of a character or characters that are dealing with this event as it happens? And what is the scope of the event? Is it the whole four years or just the battle around Axanar? The way the preview is, it explains about 3 1/2 years of the war in a brief summary, will it pick up from there and need this extended preview to explain it or will they cover the same ground and just add to it? I hope that somehow we haven't already seen the first 20 minutes and they're just going to add 60 to 90 minutes more of the same. But maybe that's their intent.

Summing up, it was obviously past tense in the preview, will the whole movie be a past tense or current action?

I'm pretty sure that the film will be a standard Star Trek drama - not documentary format. And it will cover the events immediately leading up to Axanar, as well as the battle itself.
 
Regardless, the point remains. There are no stakes if none of the characters face any legit peril in the course of their adventure. What's the point? It's just characters moving from point A to point B.

Question: In all the episodes of TOS you watched - did you EVER think, Kirk, Spock, or McCoy would die permanently - or the ship itself would be destroyed for good?

The drama IS in the journey of the characters from point A to point B.
 
Regardless, the point remains. There are no stakes if none of the characters face any legit peril in the course of their adventure. What's the point? It's just characters moving from point A to point B.

Question: In all the episodes of TOS you watched - did you EVER think, Kirk, Spock, or McCoy would die permanently - or the ship itself would be destroyed for good?

The drama IS in the journey of the characters from point A to point B.

A standalone movie about a war is different than an episodic television show predominantly about exploration.
 
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Regardless, the point remains. There are no stakes if none of the characters face any legit peril in the course of their adventure. What's the point? It's just characters moving from point A to point B.

Question: In all the episodes of TOS you watched - did you EVER think, Kirk, Spock, or McCoy would die permanently - or the ship itself would be destroyed for good?

The drama IS in the journey of the characters from point A to point B.


That's true, but it's also a different comparison.

TOS was a weekly series. Kirk, Spock and McCoy were the bread and butter of that show at a time when killing off regulars was not as common or as possible as it is today.

I don't dispute your point that the drama can be in the journey of the characters, but this is a web-based film about six characters going to war and before we've seen the picture we've already seen a narrative framing device revealing that they've all survived to pat themselves on the back about how great they were at warfare.

Of course I never expected Kirk or Spock to get killed in a random episode of TOS (Scotty, though, he surprised me that one time...) but here, half the dramatic gravitas of the film is centered on the war and the battle of Axanar and this idea that it was such a bad conflict and that so many people were being killed. I mean, I am certainly not trying to compare Axanar to Saving Private Ryan, but how many of those guys that went after Matt Damon came home by the end of that film? Montgomery Clift gets killed before he can even go defend Pearl Harbor in From Here To Eternity. Christ, even Ben Affleck got offed in Pearl Harbor.

A better example, though probably difficult (if not impossible) to achieve for Axanar: the interstitial commentary and introductions from the actual vets during Band of Brothers as the series progressed, only to reveal who they all were (by name) at the end and which ones did make it through the war and which ones, sadly, hadn't.

Again I will reiterate I am happy to wait for the finished film before making my final or official conclusions about it, but all I have to go on at the moment is Prelude and my own speculation, and honestly, my own predliections about writing from my own experience and what I myself would have done if I'd taken on a project such as this, and yes, my own professional experience in network television and writers rooms for same.

That's my unique perspective here that people seem to have no problem laughing off because they don't agree with me, but it is where I'm coming from.
 
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I mean, I am certainly not trying to compare Axanar to Saving Private Ryan, but how many of those guys that went after Matt Damon came home by the end of that film? Montgomery Clift gets killed before he can even go defend Pearl Harbor in From Here To Eternity. Christ, even Ben Afflect got offed in Pearl Harbor.

A better example, though probably difficult (if not impossible) to achieve for Axanar: the interstitial commentary and introductions from the actual vets during Band of Brothers as the series progressed, only to reveal who they all were (by name) at the end and which ones did make it through the war and which ones, sadly, hadn't.

Saving Private Ryan really used a technique similar to the one in Band of Brothers. Because the cut in the beginning goes from the elderly man at the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial directly to Tom Hanks' Captain Miller as he's landing in the Normandy Invasion at Omaha Beach in flashback, one is arguably led to suspect that the elderly man is Miller and that he therefore survived the war. Instead, no, we learn at the end that the framing device was in fact Ryan looking over Miller's grave, and that Miller died at the climactic battle.
 
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Which led to a wonderful, emotional catharsis at the end of that film. That's the magic of going to the movies and fully engrossing yourself as only going to the theater can allow you to do.

But that kind of of reveal, that kind of catharsis is what I want out of all the fan films I watch. That kind of emotional wallop. Perhaps it's asking for too much, but that's what I'm hoping we'll get out of Axanar too, given what its producers are promoting it to be all about.
 
From what little has been revealed about the Axanar script the running time will be about 90 minutes and it will definitely not be a documentary-type format. As far as I know the script has not been announced as being "locked down" so things could change.
 
Alec says script lock is scheduled for January. They are still sorting through a warehouse to turn into a sound stage, which they hope to have for Feb 1 and start building sets then.

They just added 4x Emmy Winner Adam Howard and 5x Emmy Winner Ronald B. Moore to their team. So I think these guys know what they are doing.

All of this is available on their Facebook Fan Group.
 
Alec says script lock is scheduled for January. They are still sorting through a warehouse to turn into a sound stage, which they hope to have for Feb 1 and start building sets then.

They just added 4x Emmy Winner Adam Howard and 5x Emmy Winner Ronald B. Moore to their team. So I think these guys know what they are doing.

That's great. The lineup is quite impressive for Axanar. That said, even Coppola made Godfather III.

All of this is available on their Facebook Fan Group.

Ah. The illustrious "Axanar Fan Group" on Facebook. I'll have to make sure to join so I can keep better abreast of what's going on. At least then, the next time Alec decides to rally the troops to come after me here, I'll be aware of it. ;)
 
Hi Everybody! =)

i got sick of dealing with partisan censorship and sycophantic trolls (eyesroll) over at trekmovie

...looks to ME like bad robot / nu-trek are gonna (deservedly) bite the big one...

i'll probly be hanging out here on the Axanar thread... looking forward to positive announcements from CBS after the new year! (?) ;-)

Looks like it's gonna be a GREAT 50th! =D

THANK YOU, AXANAR!!! =D
 
Hi Everybody! =)

i got sick of dealing with partisan censorship and sycophantic trolls (eyesroll) over at trekmovie

...looks to ME like bad robot / nu-trek are gonna (deservedly) bite the big one...

i'll probly be hanging out here on the Axanar thread... looking forward to positive announcements from CBS after the new year! (?) ;-)

Looks like it's gonna be a GREAT 50th! =D

THANK YOU, AXANAR!!! =D

There are over 500 hours of Pro Trek. If they make two more, good or bad, it won't really mean much. And I don't think CBS or Paramount are walking away from the name. Trek has many elements, and if there is one thing I learned when I joined the Trek community, the very thing one person loves is what another hates.

While I am not a fan of NuTrek, I know that once you start 'rebooting' a franchise, you usually do it many, many times. The movie version of Spiderman is about to start their THIRD go-round. No one version has had more than three films. No reason to believe each new version of Trek will be any more lasting.

That said, I do love fan Trek, so welcome, no only to Axanar but to the whole board.

Have you watched these three completed live action films?:

Starship Exeter's "The Tressaurian Intersection" (TTI): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkuJG1_2MnU (51:46)

Star Trek Phase II's "World Enough and Time" (WEaT): Download Mirror: http://www.startrekphase2.de/en/4x03_world_enough_and_time.html or watch an extended version here: http://forums.startreknewvoyages.com/index.php?topic=11664.0

Star Trek Continues' "Lolani", here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rECBlThxj18 (50:46) or here: https://vimeo.com/86215323 (50:47).

If you open to animation, there's Star Trek: Aurora: Full, final film: http://www.auroratrek.com/episodes.html (55:28)
or directly at Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/31883614 (55:28)
or on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHyGlqsjsQ (55:29)

And there's more to keep you busy while you wait for Axanar...
 
thanks for the welcome! and the links! =D I especially like Lolani ;-)

I think that Marvel will be able to get Spider-Man back, and save him from Sony/BR!

I think CBS will make Axanar into a REAL Star Trek Series! and maybe Captain Worf too?
 
thanks for the welcome! and the links! =D I especially like Lolani ;-)

I think that Marvel will be able to get Spider-Man back, and save him from Sony/BR!

I think CBS will make Axanar into a REAL Star Trek Series! and maybe Captain Worf too?

And thank you for trying some more Fan Trek. Here are pages with more from each of the four producers of Fan Trek which you already have sampled:

Lolani: Is produced by Star Trek Continues. You can find a collection of links to their films and to reviews and discussions about those films here: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/27.html

TTI: Is produced by Starship Exeter. You can find a collection of links to their films and to reviews and discussions about those films here: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/21.html

WEaT: Is produced by Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase II. You can find a collection of links to their films and to reviews and discussions about those films here: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/20.html

Aurora: There is only one-half of another film which is still in the works, but you can find links about Star Trek: Aurora here: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/25.html

For more suggestions about 'better' fan films, read both the article and the comments here: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/1.html

And finally, there are hundreds more which are listed at Star Trek Reviewed, which can be reached through the Table of Contents or the Index.
 
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