Made me laugh how someone explained that Corbett was Cochrane and Cromwell was a Cochrane disfigured by radiation exposure! Nice way to describe James Cromwell I thought!
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It's one of the all time greatest redemption stories told by ST, imo. TOS episode by itself was a beautiful piece of work but the backstory supplied by FC and ENT made it all the better.
I don't think that is what healed him. Coming face to face with the future did more damage than the war did. He wasn't kidding when he said "I don't want to be a statue"
He ran away from the mission to try and prevent that from happening, but they caught him. He then realized it was going to happen and there was nothing he could do about so he embraced it, but the plan to run never died completely.
Biding his time, he went along with the game until he sensed the future he'd seen was firmly established then high-tailed it out of there. They may make him a statue but he always knew they'd never make him see the damned thing.
Then, in one of the strangest twists of fate ever, enter The Companion. An amazing entity seemingly created with the sole mission of being in the right place at the right time to save Cochran from himself and give him another chance at the life he had foolishly denied himself.
Yes.
I don't think that is what healed him. Coming face to face with the future did more damage than the war did. He wasn't kidding when he said "I don't want to be a statue"
He ran away from the mission to try and prevent that from happening, but they caught him. He then realized it was going to happen and there was nothing he could do about so he embraced it, but the plan to run never died completely.
Biding his time, he went along with the game until he sensed the future he'd seen was firmly established then high-tailed it out of there. They may make him a statue but he always knew they'd never make him see the damned thing.
Then, in one of the strangest twists of fate ever, enter The Companion. An amazing entity seemingly created with the sole mission of being in the right place at the right time to save Cochran from himself and give him another chance at the life he had foolishly denied himself.
But Cochrane never saw the Borg in person or was told about them by the Enterprise-E crew. Sure, Lily might have mentioned something to him about her encounter, but without any real context Cochrane would probably have just blown it off.
I never actually saw that episode. However, I will again point out that since he was never actually exposed to the Borg during the events of ST:FC, he was getting his information from a secondary source (i.e. probably Lily), and it's unlikely that this was the motivation for his reaction to the Companion.
Well I tried to "quote"
Dukhat comment on the fact he never saw the episode...but technology and all. Guess it's fitting it's a Borg ep, but I hope the message was conveyed...
I never saw this and therefore I ignore it's existence....
Reminds me of:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x07/2x07_Catspaw098.jpg
KOROB: You are the different one, Mister Spock. You do not think like the others. There are no colours to your patterns of logic. There's only black and white. You see all this around you, yet you do not believe.
MCCOY: He doesn't know about trick or treat.
KOROB: I do not understand that reference, therefore it also is of no importance. Gentlemen, I can be most hospitable.
; )
Dukhat comment on the fact he never saw the episode...but technology and all. Guess it's fitting it's a Borg ep, but I hope the message was conveyed...
I never saw this and therefore I ignore it's existence....
Reminds me of:
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x07/2x07_Catspaw098.jpg
KOROB: You are the different one, Mister Spock. You do not think like the others. There are no colours to your patterns of logic. There's only black and white. You see all this around you, yet you do not believe.
MCCOY: He doesn't know about trick or treat.
KOROB: I do not understand that reference, therefore it also is of no importance. Gentlemen, I can be most hospitable.
; )
When I see First Contact I always think that Cochrane is all sullen and drinking over what just happened. The Phoenix, his "Baby", had just been all shot up by some mysterious aircraft. After all that work he had put into it and making it ready to fly. Somebody comes along and shoots the crap out of it.
I don't think he needs to be exposed to them. Lily telling him what she say would be enough to put the fear into him.
I always rationalize it as first contact somehow changing him and making him take the matters he was involved in more seriously. He made himself look like the ideal intellectual who ushered in the age of human space exploration because he knew that's who humanity needed.
During TOS, he was discovered by The Companion who probably healed him into the idealized version of himself as would be recorded in his ship's computers, and he was further mellowed out due to necessity, having to live on a remote planet alone for the next 150 years. That time spent probably gave him a chance to rethink everything in his life several times over.
During TOS, he was discovered by The Companion who probably healed him into the idealized version of himself as would be recorded in his ship's computers, and he was further mellowed out due to necessity, having to live on a remote planet alone for the next 150 years. That time spent probably gave him a chance to rethink everything in his life several times over.
Ok, fine. I still don't think it was his motivation for his reaction to the Companion.
It would take meaning away from his reaction to the idea of Companion being in love with him. He was supposed to represent earlier humans, from almost as far back as now, getting weirded out by relationships between people who aren't ... the "same".
Like inter-racial relationships, say. I'm sure that after humans met aliens, there was a lot of backlash against the idea of them becoming "involved".
Rick Berman, or Brannon Braga, one or the other, stated flat-out that the events of the film First Contact (the Borg incursion which didn't happen the "first time around") changed Trek history, so that everything that happened afterward in Enterprise is a little or a lot different from the original Trek history that leads to the other four series.
On Cochrane asking if Kirk and company were humans despite his having come from Alpha Centauri...? I'm trying to interpret your question. Do you mean people from Alpha Centauri would not be human? Cochrane was clearly human, not just physically, but coming across as utterly, totally American too... so I assumed the population of Alpha Centauri came from Earth, humans. It's the nearest star, and a natural for colonization, I would think.
Like inter-racial relationships, say. I'm sure that after humans met aliens, there was a lot of backlash against the idea of them becoming "involved".
Rick Berman, or Brannon Braga, one or the other, stated flat-out that the events of the film First Contact (the Borg incursion which didn't happen the "first time around") changed Trek history, so that everything that happened afterward in Enterprise is a little or a lot different from the original Trek history that leads to the other four series.
On Cochrane asking if Kirk and company were humans despite his having come from Alpha Centauri...? I'm trying to interpret your question. Do you mean people from Alpha Centauri would not be human? Cochrane was clearly human, not just physically, but coming across as utterly, totally American too... so I assumed the population of Alpha Centauri came from Earth, humans. It's the nearest star, and a natural for colonization, I would think.
And at a distance of 4.3 light years our best chance to go into space and reach somewhere!
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So when I'm watching ENT, I'm supposed to consider it another dimension a la NuTrek and not be enraged at all of the breaking of continuity with TOS that they do?
Dunno, are you enraged when TOS breaks continuity with it's self?
Maybe you could name these "breaks" that are so enraging?
I remember the moment in TOS when the crew realizes that time travel is possible. It is an awe inspiring moment, and the crew seem suitably awed.
ENT starts with a TEMPORAL COLD WAR with guys travelling through time willy-nilly as if it's always been done and everyone should already know all about it.
Not real crazy about the appearance of Borg and Ferengi in ENT either.
Who was traveling through time willy-nilly? Other than Daniels and those silly space Nazis (who were all from the future anyway), who else was there? You're making it sound like people from the 22nd century had all this knowledge of time travel, when they had nothing of the sort.
No, actually, they did not say that.
But the TCW had "not happened" at that point, neither had First Contact. Part of the reason for a prequel was seeing it from the changed perspective of First Contact affecting Cochrane, and the other was seeing it being changed up by the incursions from the future happening *after* we'd witnessed TNG-VGR.
Elementary temporal mechanics.
Elementary temporal mechanics.
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