You're most unpopular Trek opinions

[HRHTheKING]

Re: My most unpopular Trek opinions

That Gene Roddenberry's supposed "ideals" are little more than fan creations that have been created out of thin air for the purpose of deifying him.

 

[ktanner3]

Oh, back when "Chains of Command" first aired, you woulda thought that Jellico was Satan incarnate from the general reaction in fandom. A lot of "where does he get off treating our heroes that way" sort of stuff. Mostly, IMO, from folks with no conception of how a military organization works. Yes, i think Starfleet is a military organization. Very poorly run and organized, but nontheless, military. And the way Peter David and others have portrayed the character in novels hasn't helped a lot, either.

Good Point. I always thought the crew's reactions to Jellico was absurd for members of the military.Having served in the military myself I can tell you that officers like Jellico is pretty much the standard.

 

[HRHTheKING]

Jellico did nothing unreasonable IMO.

He wanted a probe launched. He wanted a shift change to reduce fatigue among the crew. He wanted Troi to stop wearing ugly catsuits. He got rid of a poisonous fish and replaced it with a nice plant. He told Picard that the ship was no longer under his command, and then they make Jellico out to be a bad guy when Riker smugly demands Jellico "ask him" to fly a mission with the security of the Federation on the line.

I thought the behaviour of the Enterprise-D crew, particularly Riker was disgraceful towards Captain Jellico.

 

[Mysterion]

HRHTheKING said:
Jellico did nothing unreasonable IMO.

He wanted a probe launched. He wanted a shift change to reduce fatigue among the crew. He wanted Troi to stop wearing ugly catsuits. He got rid of a poisonous fish and replaced it with a nice plant. He told Picard that the ship was no longer under his command, and then they make Jellico out to be a bad guy when Riker smugly demands Jellico "ask him" to fly a mission with the security of the Federation on the line.

I thought the behaviour of the Enterprise-D crew, particularly Riker was disgraceful towards Captain Jellico.

Correct on all points, IMO.

 

[Warped9]

The various series and movies are definitely not of one and the same continutiy, most particularly TOS and ENT.

Manny Coto was not a saviour for ENT's fourth season and is greatly overrated.

Abrahms is likely no saviour either.

 

[Garth Rockett]

The Search For Spock is the second best Trek movie, behind TWOK.

While TNG wasn't great until the third season, it got very good midway through the first season.

Dr. Pulaski was a decent character, and Diana Muldaur rules.

First Contact may be the best movie with the Next Generation, but Insurrection is the best Next Generation movie (if that makes sense).

DS9 was good from season one on.

I like "Move Along Home."

"Far Beyond The Stars" is good, but overrated.

With the exception of "Profit and Lace", all the Ferengi episodes were good to great.

The Kazon plotline running through season two of VOY was one of the high points of the series.

Kes was better than Seven.

Aside from TNG, every Trek series had a strong first season.

Phlox was the best character on ENT.

 

[UnknownSample]

"Dr. Pulaski was a decent character, and Diana Muldaur rules." I agree.

In case I answered several pages ago already, i'll keep these brief:

The increased attention to characters and character relationships (and cute humor) in original Trek dragged the show down and pulled it away from doing real science-fiction. It didn't get out of hand in season one, but from then on it was a monster.

Seasons 2 and 3 or original Trek aren't that far away from each other in quality. Quite a few greats, and lots of problems, and the problems I blame on network interference. v And Freddy Frieberger. Maybe the humor episodes in s2 make fans think well of it overall... s3 had none.

In my experience, if you ask people what they feel are the worst s3 episodes. they'll mistakenly list some s2 episodes.

Original Trek was better off without catchprases such as "Live long and prosper" and the Vulcan salute and the IDIC, none of which exist in s1.

Generations is my favorite Trek film lately. Most I just don't like.

It's about time for the strengths in Next Gen s2 to be rediscovered instead of emphasizing the mistakes... and the same could be said in reverse for s3.

 

[JM1776]

A few more opinions:

• Star Trek is by no means science fiction, but rather fantasy with a sci-fi veneer.
• "That's not canonical" is quite often an entirely legitimate argument as relates to disputes between Trekkies.
• The idea of a reboot as necessary or desirable is beyond asinine.
• Enterprise failed to convince in some measure because the set and prop designers, instead of finding a stylishly retro motif that seemed at once less advanced than that of The Original Series, and yet somehow cooler, instead simply hid behind the ridiculous idea that such was impossible and let the mid-22nd century look more advanced than the mid-23rd.
• Jackson Archer and T'Pau would have been a far more interesting pair than the one we got.

 

[TedShatner10]

Brennyren said:
Jeri Taylor did not write a good or credible version of Janeway -- her Janeway was a 20th-century soap opera character.

Can't argue with that, although Kate Mulgrew was vert well cast. And the other Taylor penned characters, Kes and Neelix, were very boring, where even decent performers like Lien and Phillips could never quite salvage them...

In fact, Taylor is remarkably overrated as a writer, period. And her novels were unjustifiable killings of trees.

Can't argue with that either - Voyager actually improved on a certain level when Taylor pulled back in the fourth and fifth seasons, while Enterprise in it's first season did not feel quite so lame in some ways as Voyager.

 

[Kegek]

JM1776 said:
[*]Star Trek is by no means science fiction, but rather fantasy with a sci-fi veneer.

But so is so much science fiction. And I even mean classic works like The Time Machine. How does the titular contraption work? Magic. Oh, magic that is assumed to be science, but basically magic.

There is hard sci-fi, but whole sub-genres - such as Star Trek's own category of space opera - are essentially fantasies.

 

[UnknownSample]

Of course Trek is science-fiction. The first season of the original was a crowning achievement (tried and failed to avoid that expression) of SF. The problem with all the Treks over the decades hasn't been that they're fantasy, but that the real science-fiction elements too often took a back seat (tried and failed again...) to the relationships and career concerns of its main characters. How often did Next Gen begin with an astronomical phenomenon, something almost startling that had lots of SF potential... only to veer away from that to some personal problem before the teaser was even over? (I'm thinking in particular of the one where Worf faints on the Bridge.)

ST isn't about magic. Whatever its flaws over the years, ditching SF for fantasy isn't one of them. Something can be science-fiction, but be bad science-fiction, though...

 

[23skidoo]

Just two of any consequence, really:

That Enterprise was a good series unfairly maligned by the fanbase due to franchise fatigue, dislike for certain individuals in the production team, stereotyping of the lead actor, discomfort over the casting of a sexy woman as the Vulcan First Officer, overreaction to certain individual episodes that if they'd been in past series would have been ignored, a desire to have Star Trek become a clone of other shows such as Firefly and BSG, a demand that ENT become an arc show only to complain when ENT became an arc show, the transferring of dislike for Nemesis to ENT (and vice-versa), and the out-to-lunch opinion that ratings are somehow a measure of quality. And probably about a dozen other reasons that have slipped my mind.

And my sig, below, covers my second unpopular view.

Cheers!

Alex

 

[number6]

I agree 100% with the first sentiment..Not so much the second

 

[JM1776]

[Duplicate post. Sorry.]

 

[JM1776]

Kegek said:

JM1776 said:
[*]Star Trek is by no means science fiction, but rather fantasy with a sci-fi veneer.

But so is so much science fiction.

Agreed, wholeheartedly.

That doesn't change the fact, though, that many trumpet Trek as quintessential sci-fi, when it is nothing of the sort.

 

[Eminence]

-That DS9 is aging poorly.

-Voyager isn't all that bad; in fact, out of all the series, it's the most rewatchable.

 

[igrokbok]

TNG was, aside from about 5 episodes, an exercise in boring mediocrity.

 

[Brennyren]

TedShatner10 said:

Brennyren said:
Jeri Taylor did not write a good or credible version of Janeway -- her Janeway was a 20th-century soap opera character.

Can't argue with that, although Kate Mulgrew was vert well cast.

Agreed! She succeeded in making Janeway likeable and interesting, even when I didn't care for the captain's decisions.

And the other Taylor penned characters, Kes and Neelix, were very boring, where even decent performers like Lien and Phillips could never quite salvage them...

I don't know -- I think Phillips managed at times. But I always wonder at fans who think Neelix was better in his "serious" episodes. Neelix was teeth-numbingly boring in his serious episodes, but he actually made half-decent comic relief.

In fact, Taylor is remarkably overrated as a writer, period. And her novels were unjustifiable killings of trees.

Can't argue with that either - Voyager actually improved on a certain level when Taylor pulled back in the fourth and fifth seasons,

I quite agree. And yet there are VOY fans who still sigh for "the good old days" of Taylor and her Executive Producership. What good old days were those? What Taylor was infinitely better at than Braga was making nice with the fans. But that does not a good writer or Executive Producer make.

while Enterprise in it's first season did not feel quite so lame in some ways as Voyager.

Meh. Maybe yes, maybe no. ENT had its own problems, I think.

Brennyren

 

[SciFi75]

Rick Berman should have retired before Voyager .

Enterprise had a lot of potential that was wasted from studio fatigue; ie,in that it would have been a success under the guidance of a fresh production staff.

Voyager was better before Seven of Nine.

Although I liked the Dominion War in DS9 , I felt that the Bajor/Gamma Quadrant subplot was largely discarded.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I love Enterprise.

I love the Ferengi episodes on DS9, hell, I even like Profit and Lace although I know it's a terribly stupid episode.

I liked Nemesis.

I like Voyager. And I like Seven, though the catsuit is truly ridiculous.

I think Janeway is a good captain.

Bajorans suck (except for Kira, that is).

I like "Faith of the Heart", I even downloaded it.

TWoK is overrated. TFF is a good movie with great character moments, and, needless to say, I love it.

In fact, it is very easy to make me happy. To me, most Trek is great, some of it good, very little of it (some of TOS) horrible.