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And talking of Mary Sues: Anything with Piper in it. Bleah. A more obvious Mary Sue I have yet to read.

Have I got the book for you then! Death's Angel - it's an older one, but the main character is such a Sue she could beat Piper senseless without mussing up her perfect cotton candy curls, or having the slightest touch of sweat mar her flawless complexion. :lol:

Both Kirk AND Spock fall in love with her. She's a secret agent, she's a hybrid of all sorts of Startrek aliens so she's extra pretty, she can destroy the Enterprise by pressing a button on her watch... (Kirk has no problem with this btw).

Indeed. Of all the Mary Sue characters ever to make it into professional Trek fiction, Elizabeth Shaeffer (sp?) is as close to the epitome of a Mary Sue as you can get. Although Sola Thane from Marshak & Culbreath's Triangle runs a very close second.

As for Piper and Uhura's Song's Evan Wilson, yes, they are arguably Mary Sue characters, but I think they prove that even a Mary Sue can be done well. Piper doesn't fall victim to the usual MS cliches, because she isn't smarter, stronger, better than Kirk, Spock and McCoy and not one of them falls in love with her. The most she achieves is to prove herself a worthy sidekick to Kirk and get accepted into the clique, which isn't really the same. (Maybe she's a "Robin Sue?") As for Evan Wilson, she does dominate much of the book, has exceptional talents, and wins the respect (but not infatuation) of the series regulars, but she's essentially a trickster figure, which isn't the same as a conventional MS. She's more like a guest star who steals the show, like Q or Lwaxana. (A "Mary Q?")
 
^ And yet, it's the bloke whose been on this board going on four years who felt the need to ask the question, "Huh?" :vulcan:

Yep. Because it read like you were serious. It came off as just plain nasty. I kept looking for the emoticon, and wondering if this was some ongoing feud I'd managed to miss over the years. Or whether you really hated that book?

Sorry. My "Huh?" stays. It's still how I feel about it.
 
Elizabeth Shaeffer (sp?) is as close to the epitome of a Mary Sue as you can get. Although Sola Thane from Marshak & Culbreath's Triangle runs a very close second.

As for Piper and Uhura's Song's Evan Wilson, yes, they are arguably Mary Sue characters, but I think they prove that even a Mary Sue can be done well.

Totally agree. There is also the rather likable Jean Czerny in the often overlooked "Pawns and Symbols".
 
^^Hmm, I'd never thought of her that way. I don't think she meets the classic Mary Sue definition, because the captain she impresses is Kang, not Kirk. (Making her a meHrI' Su'?) If you count her, you might have to count Cleante and T'Shael from the immediately previous book, Dwellers in the Crucible. Although they were more like a distaff Kirk and Spock in a "hurt-comfort" type of scenario (to use a term for a common fanfiction theme, although "The Empath" is perhaps the archetypal hurt-comfort story).
 
I guess I'll throw in my lot here and I hesitate to even offer an entry. I love Star Trek books and I appreciate the thought and effort that goes into writing one. I know that stories do not resonate with some people and do for others. However, that said I think William Shatner and the Reeves Stevens' Collision Course is probably not only one the worst Star Trek books ever written but one of the worst books of fiction ever written by anyone. There I said it!

Kevin
 
I'm totally confused here. People keep listing the same books here and in http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=54137.

Can't people be consistent?

If it were the same individual listing the same book in both threads, that would be inconsistent. But there's nothing at all surprising about some people's favorite book being other people's least favorite. It's the way of the world. People have different tastes, so generally the only consistent thing is the intensity of their reaction. The stronger the positive impact a work has on some people, the stronger the negative impact it's going to have on others. If something's really loved by some people, it's likely to be really hated by others. If it's only mildly disliked by some people, it's probably just going to be mildly liked by others, because it doesn't make that strong an impression.

I second that "What???" If anything, the last time we saw Piper I feared an attempt on her life from Scotty considering what she did to his "bairns".
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(In short, yes, I read Dreadnought! and Battlestations! years ago as Scotty having an interest in Piper.)

I'm really puzzled by that, because I don't remember them having any interaction at all beyond Scotty's anger at Piper for "bending his ship."
 

I second that "What???" If anything, the last time we saw Piper I feared an attempt on her life from Scotty considering what she did to his "bairns".

The last scene in Dreadnought has Scotty going into Piper's quarters with a rather suggestive "Lassie...I'd like a worrrrrrrrrrd with you".

Yes, because he was angry at her for damaging the Enterprise! He wasn't going to seduce her, he was going to take her to task for daring to deface his true love. Good grief, we were clearly shown in an earlier scene how upset he was with her.
 
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