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"Essential Legends" of Trek?

Look, you don't need a bloody multiverse to enjoy different works of fiction. Just be sane enough to recognize that they are fictional and thus don't have to agree with each other. Just let them be stories, for Pete's sake. Mulitverses are a plot device within some stories. Insisting that they have to be forced on every fictional franchise as a rationalization for different creators exercising their creativity is deeply obnoxious.

It's also stupid, because it makes no damn sense. How could it be that in countless different timelines where Krypton explodes at different times, it's always exactly when Jor-El has a baby son and a prototype rocket that can only hold one, and the rocket always arrives on Earth just in time for Ma and Pa Kent to find it, and it always lines up with the lifespans of Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen and Lex Luthor? That's not how alternate timelines work. It's how alternate tellings of a fictional narrative work. Using a "multiverse" to reconcile different fictional adaptations like that is a nonsensical fantasy device that has no place in a relatively plausible universe like Star Trek ideally aspires to be. It's not a trope that can or should be imposed on every fictional series.

It's called suspension of disbelief because it's temporary. You pretend the story is real while you read or watch it, but afterward you return to reality and accept that it's made up. So you don't need to pretend that two stories are in the same meta-reality to be able to enjoy them both. You just need to be a sane human being who understands what fiction is.

I sometimes forget, any interpretation is correct as long as it's Christopher's :rolleyes:
 
I had a thought, what if instead of editing the original books, we got remakes, totally new versions that are consistent with the current canon, and are able to exist alongside the original?
Like a new version of Federation that give us the story of the First Contact version of Cochrane's story.
 
Look, you don't need a bloody multiverse to enjoy different works of fiction. Just be sane enough to recognize that they are fictional and thus don't have to agree with each other.

You just need to be a sane human being who understands what fiction is.

Please don't imply that your fellow board members are not sane just because they don't enjoy things the same way you do. You obviously don't have to agree, but you could have made the exact same point without the digs against the other poster's sanity.

I sometimes forget, any interpretation is correct as long as it's Christopher's :rolleyes:

By the same token, let's please not get personal. You can rebut the contents of the post all you want, but post, not poster.
 
I had a thought, what if instead of editing the original books, we got remakes, totally new versions that are consistent with the current canon, and are able to exist alongside the original?
Like a new version of Federation that give us the story of the First Contact version of Cochrane's story.

Isn't that just... a new book? They could do that right now if they wanted. You don't specifically need any connection to Federation to do that. (And hopefully it would get its own distinct title, too.)
 
I had a thought, what if instead of editing the original books, we got remakes, totally new versions that are consistent with the current canon, and are able to exist alongside the original?
Like a new version of Federation that give us the story of the First Contact version of Cochrane's story.

I don't see the point. If it's adapting a book into an episode or movie, I can see rewriting it, but if you're going to do a book, just write a new book.

I often say that if canon is history, tie-ins are historical fiction. They're not saying "this happened," they're just conjectures about what might have happened based on the understanding of the continuity as it existed at the time. And "at the time" is an important part of it. A book is a product of its time. That's baked into it and it's part of what gives the book its character. Rewriting the book to efface that history would take away part of what makes it unique.
 
I had a thought, what if instead of editing the original books, we got remakes, totally new versions that are consistent with the current canon, and are able to exist alongside the original?
Like a new version of Federation that give us the story of the First Contact version of Cochrane's story.
On somewhat similar lines- taking a cue from the Star Trek (2009) ongoing comic series reimagining TOS episodes, I always thought it would be interesting to do what Harlan Ellison did in graphical novel form- go back to the first drafts, before tons of ideas were cut for budget reasons, and produce either Blish-style adaptations, or comic adaptations, of the TOS episodes as they were originally imagined. (In the process, re-writing Rand into all the scripts intended for her character that got revised when Grace Lee Whitney was fired, for instance).

Just sort of a 'Star Trek Unbound' what-if series, looking at the way TOS might have been if
A. SFX and set design and budgets could match the writers' imaginations, and
B. With the exception of characterization of the main cast, Roddenberry hadn't done as much rewriting.

Just kind of a fun experiment, looking at the Trek as the sci-fi greats imagined it before anyone knew what Trek actually was.


(For example: Court Martial with Samuel Cogley's 'space jalopy' and a jettisoned section of Enterprise crew lodged in an asteroid; Space Seed with the criminal Erikson leading his men to board the Enterprise from the Botany Bay by swinging across on grappling lines like pirates of old; The Alternative Factor with a charismatic Lazarus and an actual romance subplot so that the poor man doesn't have to fall off of Vazquez Rocks 22 times to fill the runtime...)
 
One thing that would certainly entice me to rebuy a book I already have in TPB format: additional fictional content. Pay the writer to write an additional short story or two, presumably related to the main book somehow, and then include that as exclusive content.

I, on the other hand, absolutely hate when books are reprinted with a small amount of new content in order to get me to pay again for something I already own. How unfondly I remember buying the limited hardcover edition of Harlan Ellison's City on the Edge of Forever because that was all there was going to be. Most expensive book I'd bought at that point, over C$100. The next year he revised it, added new material, and it came out in paperback for something like $20. At least he didn't do it the other way around.
 
Isn't that just... a new book? They could do that right now if they wanted. You don't specifically need any connection to Federation to do that. (And hopefully it would get its own distinct title, too.)

I don't see the point. If it's adapting a book into an episode or movie, I can see rewriting it, but if you're going to do a book, just write a new book.

I often say that if canon is history, tie-ins are historical fiction. They're not saying "this happened," they're just conjectures about what might have happened based on the understanding of the continuity as it existed at the time. And "at the time" is an important part of it. A book is a product of its time. That's baked into it and it's part of what gives the book its character. Rewriting the book to efface that history would take away part of what makes it unique.
Yeah, you guys are probably right. I was just trying to think of a way for people who want the old books to be consistent with the canon we've gotten since then, but without actually changing the original books.
 
Yeah, you guys are probably right. I was just trying to think of a way for people who want the old books to be consistent with the canon we've gotten since then, but without actually changing the original books.

There was a time when I tried to mentally edit books to reconcile them with later canon, sometimes even making changes in pencil or marking off sections to ignore. Eventually I realized that that was just unfair to the books as they were written, and that continuity was not so important that it should get in the way of appreciating a story as it was written and intended by its author. Often the things that made a book conflict with screen continuity were key to its distinctive character and feel as a story, and I realized that should be embraced as a feature, not rejected as a flaw. They are, after all, just stories, speculations about what might have been.

The primary value of any story is in the story itself. Its connections to other stories are a secondary consideration. The connections are of no value except to the degree that they support the individual stories. If the desire for connection leads us to devalue a story for what it is in itself, then we've got our priorities the wrong way around.
 
The primary value of any story is in the story itself. Its connections to other stories are a secondary consideration. The connections are of no value except to the degree that they support the individual stories. If the desire for connection leads us to devalue a story for what it is in itself, then we've got our priorities the wrong way around.

Tell me about it!

One sees this in comics fandom, too. It always bugs me when some folks talk as though a classic older story is no longer worth reading just because it's slipped out of the current comics continuity. Or, worse yet, when they complain that they "wasted" their time and money on a story that no longer "counts."

To which I always wonder: Has the writing suddenly gone bad? Did the art get worse once it was no longer "canon"? And, perhaps most importantly, did you enjoy the experience of reading that story in the past? Did you perhaps derive plenty of pleasure from reading and rereading that story over the years?

How then was that time wasted? Why is a story you once enjoyed now "pointless" just because it's not "officially" part of the current comic book "universe"?
 
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I actually enjoy reading stories that aren't consistent with current canon, I find it interesting to see how they approached concepts differently, like Dark Mirror's different take on the post-Mirror, Mirror MU, or Strangers from the Sky's different approach to Earth's first contact with extraterrestrials.
 
There was a time when I tried to mentally edit books to reconcile them with later canon, sometimes even making changes in pencil or marking off sections to ignore. Eventually I realized that that was just unfair to the books as they were written, and that continuity was not so important that it should get in the way of appreciating a story as it was written and intended by its author.
Let's take Sherlock Holmes for a moment. Writers after Doyle have invented a number of family members that aren't in the Canon. There's the much older brother Sherringford (from William S. Baring- Gould), a much younger sister Enola (from Nancy Springer), a completely different younger sister Violet (from Andy Lane), plus his son Raffles (from John Kendrick Bangs), and his daughter Lucy (from Charles Vesey and Anne Elliott). None of these go together, or were ever intended to go together, yet I like imagining that they can and do fit together in various combinations. Just for myself, and only for fun. Enola and Raffles together would be hilarious. :)
 
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