Your preferred Sequel Trilogy Episode

[Set Harth]

That the prequels revolve around Anakin Skywalker and the original films revolve around Luke, but TLJ brings forth someone who (within the context of that film, at least) isn't a Skywalker or even anyone particularly noteworthy, as well as the Force-wielding kid at the end of the film. It gets away from the idea that you need to somehow be 'important' to 'merit' having skill with the Force.

As just one example, the existence of one Obi-Wan Kenobi already disproved that idea... 48 years ago. TLJ isn't actually breaking any new ground in that area despite the rhetoric. There were thousands of Jedi running around in the prequel trilogy and a grand total of one of them was a Skywalker. ( Also, there is arguably a case to be made that Rey's rapid advancement is indeed noteworthy regardless of her lineage. )

 

[DonIago]

As just one example, the existence of one Obi-Wan Kenobi already disproved that idea... 48 years ago. TLJ isn't actually breaking any new ground in that area despite the rhetoric. There were thousands of Jedi running around in the prequel trilogy and a grand total of one of them was a Skywalker. ( Also, there is arguably a case to be made that Rey's rapid advancement is indeed noteworthy regardless of her lineage. )

I didn't say TLJ was breaking new ground in this area, but I'm always happy to see non-Skywalkers get more focus.

 

[DonIago]

I don't know if it was intentionally supposed to or not. (Considering the disarray of the sequel trilogy, who the hell knows?)

But it's true to say that both of them are nobodies living in the desert who one day get handed a lightsaber, and later find out that they have incredibly powerful force-users in their family. Both of them are also told 'facts' about their family that turn out to be a lie. From a certain point of view.

Yeeeeessss, but because of the disarray, I feel like TLJ's version of events should have precedence and that it was kind of shitty of the TRoS writers to disregard what TLJ established.

Okay, so in the original trilogy Ben tells Luke one fact about their family, but it's later established that Ben was a bit 'creative' with history. My recollection is that this is a bit of a retcon and that originally Ben wasn't intended to have been creative with what he told Luke.

In the sequel trilogy TLJ establishes that Rey is Daughter of None, so to speak, but then TRoS turns around and says that Rey not only isn't the Daughter of None, but she's actually Palpatine's granddaughter(?).

Essentially, both trilogies tell us one 'fact' about the main character's backstory only to later reveal that the fact was a lie. But I think the way it's handled in the original series feels more artful and organic and understandable, while in the sequel trilogy it feels more arbitrary, and like the people behind the scenes saying, 'Yeah, never mind what TLJ said, we're gonna do this instead!'

 

[Gaith]

There's nothing in TLJ to suggest that there was any intention at the time for Rey to have actually been the descendant of any powerful force-wielder.

In TLJ, Kylo tells Rey her parents were nobodies, which may or may not be true. He then says, in the same breath, that they were drunks who sold her for drinking money.

Simple question: how would he possibly know that? How would he know they didn't intend to return for her, and were indeed about to do so, when a tragic traffic accident they had nothing to do with killed them?

Given that he offers zero evidence for the accusation of drunkenness, it's logical to assume he pulled that detail out of his behind - and, therefore, it's also logical to assume that his statement that Rey's parents were nobodies was equally speculative.

 

[Set Harth]

The same way that a farmboy nobody was later revealed to be the son of one of the most powerful force-wielders ever?

The farmboy nobody was relatively quickly revealed to be the son of a Jedi in his first movie.

Yeeeeessss, but because of the disarray, I feel like TLJ's version of events should have precedence and that it was kind of shitty of the TRoS writers to disregard what TLJ established.

It's sort of an unwritten rule in SW that you explain the origin of a newly appearing Force-user character, especially if they seem a promising contender. At least you get the bare minimum, such as "Baylan escaped Order 66 and then found and trained Shin". TLJ gave us Rey-as-Nobody and also refused to explain how Snoke originated.

 

[Artoo Atari]

The first one is the one I have come to dislike the least even though it's just an inferior remake. Last Jedi is a close second for me, but only if one or two of the plotlines are cut out. The third is just mediocre fan fiction.

 

[BillJ]

VII.
VIII.
IX.

 

[DonIago]

It's sort of an unwritten rule in SW that you explain the origin of a newly appearing Force-user character, especially if they seem a promising contender. At least you get the bare minimum, such as "Baylan escaped Order 66 and then found and trained Shin". TLJ gave us Rey-as-Nobody and also refused to explain how Snoke originated.

How is, "Rey's just the daughter of two unimportant people" not an explanation of her origin?
I rather assumed that Snoke's origin would be revealed in the next film. I never would have guessed that would involve bringing Palps back, because I would have assumed TPTB were more creative than that.

 

[DigificWriter]

TLJ establishes that Rey is Daughter of None

It doesn't, though.

TLJ delivers a Red Herring answer about who Rey is that, even 7 years later, people keep wanting to desperately cling to as a hard truth.

 

[DonIago]

It doesn't, though.

TLJ delivers a Red Herring answer about who Rey is that, even 7 years later, people keep wanting to desperately cling to as a hard truth.

Do you have a source for your claim that Rey was never intended to have a non-notable lineage?

 

[DigificWriter]

Do you have a source for your claim that Rey was never intended to have a non-notable lineage?

I never made any such claim.

I made a statement of fact in calling what Kylo says about who Rey is in TLJ a Red Herring because it's revealed to be such by The Rise of Skywalker.

 

[DonIago]

I never made any such claim.

I made a statement of fact in calling what Kylo says about who Rey is in TLJ a Red Herring because it's revealed to be such by The Rise of Skywalker.

...but you have no way to know whether or not that was the intention at the time TLJ was made. You're calling it a 'red herring' based on how the films ultimately evolved, which is beside the point because nobody's debating how things turned out, but what the original intention was.

 

[JD]

The who Rey's origin reveal is just another example of how much of a mess the Sequels were as a trilogy. I've probably said before, but as individual movies, I like all three of them, but as a trilogy they're a mess. It really feels like they were just making it up at they went along, rather than coming up with even a basic outline that they stuck to.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It really feels like they were just making it up at they went along, rather than coming up with even a basic outline that they stuck to.

That's because that's exactly what happened.

 

[Set Harth]

How is, "Rey's just the daughter of two unimportant people" not an explanation of her origin?

Well, I mean, I know where babies come from... I was kinda hoping for a little more than that.

 

[DigificWriter]

nobody's debating how things turned out, but what the original intention was.

What the original intention may or may not have been is irrelevant.

People who don't like the reality of Rey's lineage keep trying to insist, even 7 years later, that what TLJ appears to say about who she is is an absolute truth that should take precedence over what TRoS ultimately concretely tells us about who she is.

 

[DonIago]

What the original intention may or may not have been is irrelevant.

People who don't like the reality of Rey's lineage keep trying to insist, even 7 years later, that what TLJ appears to say about who she is is an absolute truth that should take precedence over what TRoS ultimately concretely tells us about who she is.

You're completely misunderstanding why it bothers people.

 

[DigificWriter]

You're completely misunderstanding why it bothers people.

I know exactly why people whine about it; I simply find their complaining to be pointless, without merit, and motivated solely by a desire to tear down the Sequel Trilogy.

Rey isn't a nobody; deal with it, accept it, and move on.