Your preferred Sequel Trilogy Episode
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I agree that that was probably Johnson's intention, but I also think that he's a very smart guy and a skilled writer (even though I dislike TLJ), and I think he deliberately added Kylo's zero-context secondary assertion that Rey's parents were drunks who sold her for drinking money to leave the next writer plenty of room to establish that Kylo was making everything he said about Rey's lineage up in order to bully her into smooching him. (That's not to say he knew what he was saying to be false, either; it could easily have been his best guess, which he presented as a stone-cold fact in order to convince her to smooch him.)
Johnson could easily have included a 30-second scene in which an intelligence officer presents Kylo with birth and certificates for Rey's parents, and even if that wouldn't have had the same narrative authority as, say, a statement made by the omniscient narrator of the opening crawls, it would have greatly reinforced Kylo's credibility. Having him accuse Rey's parents of being drunks out of nowhere, however, greatly reduced Kylo's credibility.
Overall, I think a statement should be mostly accurate to be considered true, and, given the ambiguity of the scene, and Kylo's inherent untrustworthiness, I can't agree that TLJ establishes that Rey's parents were nobodies. It's just not the same as, say, a trustworthy character like Obi-Wan "establishing" in ANH that Vader killed Luke's father. It's a supposition, nothing more, even if simple galactic math, and the previously established idea from the PT that Force wielding potential can pop up anywhere makes that supposition more likely to be true than not.
Well, there is also the whole cave-mirror sequence, unless one wants to interpret that as simply a manifestation of Rey's own headspace at the time.
I dunno, is it more effective if Kylo's taunting Rey based on lies, or if he's taunting her based on the truth?
Either way, having her turn out to be Palpy's granddaughter was, IMO, a writing misstep, especially given that it came in the last film in a trilogy without much if any foreshadowing. Like a few other things in TRoS, to me it felt like an attempt to make the movie More just for the sake of making it More.
I dunno, is it more effective if Kylo's taunting Rey based on lies, or if he's taunting her based on the truth?
Either way, having her turn out to be Palpy's granddaughter was, IMO, a writing misstep, especially given that it came in the last film in a trilogy without much if any foreshadowing. Like a few other things in TRoS, to me it felt like an attempt to make the movie More just for the sake of making it More.
At one point I thought it meant she was a clone. She wants to see her parents and it's only a mirror image of her.
Ha, I'd forgotten about that. It is indeed ambiguous, far less narratively and thematically useful than Luke's vision in the Dagobah cave, and, yeah, could totally be a reflection of her own headspace. Luke got a warning, and she got... a clue, whether from within or without, that she wasn't anybody special, despite her... uh, decidedly humble, non-special origins?
Yeah, that scene was pretty to look at, but a real waste of time.
It's clunky as hell, but I actually dig it for exactly that reason. It almost feels like TRoS apologizing for how they utterly failed to give the charming and talented actress Ridley an actual character to play, instead of a chipper cipher bouncing from one plot point to the next.
The Force works in mysterious ways?Ha, I'd forgotten about that. It is indeed ambiguous, far less narratively and thematically useful than Luke's vision in the Dagobah cave, and, yeah, could totally be a reflection of her own headspace. Luke got a warning, and she got... a clue, whether from within or without, that she wasn't anybody special, despite her... uh, decidedly humble, non-special origins?
Yeah, that scene was pretty to look at, but a real waste of time.
It might be less 'useful', but it does convey the message (or, if you prefer, the suggestion) that Rey's alone. It doesn't really do much for me personally either, but as a sort of impressionistic scene that's intended to suggest rather than explicitly connect the dots, I can appreciate what it was trying to do even if it fell a little flat for me.
I would have rather they went from zero to ten, if you will, than zero to 432769807953296870532.It's clunky as hell, but I actually dig it for exactly that reason. It almost feels like TRoS apologizing for how they utterly failed to give the charming and talented actress Ridley an actual character to play, instead of a chipper cipher bouncing from one plot point to the next.
What does ST stand for?
Sequel Trilogy, I presume.What does ST stand for?
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