This is good.. I've found peace
Still loving Janeway flying Voyager into the Krenim ship. Quality special effects.
Year of Hell
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Still loving Janeway flying Voyager into the Krenim ship. Quality special effects.
In a later episode... Infinite Regress? We find out that Seven had assimilated a Krenim temporal Scientist before she met Janeway, who may or may not have been Anorax.
So Anorax is moot.
So Anorax is moot.
Year of Hell is Voyager at its best with the biggest disappointment ever being the reset button at the end...though at least it is a GREAT scene!
This and Scorpion are the epic highlights of all Voyager to me, both essentially TV movies as good or better than most of the actual Star Trek films. Year of Hell has everything!
This and Scorpion are the epic highlights of all Voyager to me, both essentially TV movies as good or better than most of the actual Star Trek films. Year of Hell has everything!
No.
It's a cop out.
This is the episode that we asked for.
So it's predictable.
How is that enjoyable?
The little writers are all told that they are banned from writing big obvious stories like this, with all the cool toys, or they would all write this story, or close to it, week after week.
Although...
It's exactly what I wanted, and I enjoyed Year of Hell Immensely.
It's a cop out.
This is the episode that we asked for.
So it's predictable.
How is that enjoyable?
The little writers are all told that they are banned from writing big obvious stories like this, with all the cool toys, or they would all write this story, or close to it, week after week.
Although...
It's exactly what I wanted, and I enjoyed Year of Hell Immensely.
Yeah the fact is, this is the story we asked for and it's still unfortunate it didn't last a season as intended...but I'm not even sure how NOT writing this kind of story somehow could have made the writers more creative. It seems to have shackled them rather than brought out big new ideas, forcing them to try and compete with TOS or TNG with varying levels of success instead of doing their own thing in a new way.
Oh well, for all its flaws Voyager really does have some spectacular individual episodes and 2 parters in particular.
Oh well, for all its flaws Voyager really does have some spectacular individual episodes and 2 parters in particular.
"Hi Mr Berman, can we use the Borg for the 40th time this year, and I want to write the 15th time travel episode for this season, and would you mind tripling the budget so that I can invent a completely new CGI species. Thanks, Mr Berman, you're a doll."
Enterprise saved money in it's last season by doing two, three and four part stories, so that they could hire the guest stars in bulk, and reuse the sets, and sfx several times, rather than trying to build 20 different alien worlds in 20 episodes... So why on earth does Star Trek rely mostly on a 40 minute play?
OH!
The budget for Seska and Cullah and their Kazon shit, was folded into the SFX budget (for ships and explosions) in season 3 moving forward, rather than continuing to pay for more speaking parts on the show to spice the story with recurring villains or lower decks fun.
Enterprise saved money in it's last season by doing two, three and four part stories, so that they could hire the guest stars in bulk, and reuse the sets, and sfx several times, rather than trying to build 20 different alien worlds in 20 episodes... So why on earth does Star Trek rely mostly on a 40 minute play?
OH!
The budget for Seska and Cullah and their Kazon shit, was folded into the SFX budget (for ships and explosions) in season 3 moving forward, rather than continuing to pay for more speaking parts on the show to spice the story with recurring villains or lower decks fun.
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You know that is really interesting, I never thought of that as such a massive benefit to story arcs but of course it is..
I guess Voyager never had much trouble with money though, it seems.
Enterprise had it's budget viciously cut, before they were allowed to come back.
Half way through Voyager their budget almost doubled, and they got another bump in resources when it suddenly became clear that Berman was only allowed to fun one show at a time now, after DS9 expired.
Half way through Voyager their budget almost doubled, and they got another bump in resources when it suddenly became clear that Berman was only allowed to fun one show at a time now, after DS9 expired.
I'm pretty sure he's always said he didn't want to do Voyager until DS9 was over, or almost over. And again, he didn't want to do Enterprise(or a new trek show in general) until Voyager had been off the air for a few years. He was probably sick of it. He was probably worried about it's oversaturation, and he was probably right.
Enterprise didn't have a lot of the benefits that the other shows had, like budget, a sufficient team of writers, a capable network to air on, a reliable timeslot, enough promotion, etc. Ent s4 is fun, but there's only like 10 or 11 episodes.
Enterprise didn't have a lot of the benefits that the other shows had, like budget, a sufficient team of writers, a capable network to air on, a reliable timeslot, enough promotion, etc. Ent s4 is fun, but there's only like 10 or 11 episodes.
