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Why does Hogan's reaction surprise anyone (if it does that is)? He's seems to be a complete douche the best of times. So what I got out of those tweets is that he's bragging that he is proud that he's lasted this long, beyond his prime and twilight years? What a moron. No wonder TNA is shat on by the fans all the time. Edge mentioned Hulk Hogan in his speech and I remember his program with him in the early 2000's after the face turn again (Hulkamania return).

The Billy Graham comments don't surprise me one bit. It's not surprising the comments these people make considering the egos they have. It's the nature of the business that they're in. They are used to people cheering and booing them, little kids and teenagers adoring and worshiping the ground they walk on. I dunno. It's amusing to a degree when they dump on each other.
 
I get the not letting go part--these guys and gals are doing something they love and (sometimes) have the adoration of fans night in and night out. I can see how that would be hard to walk away from.

The thing that bugs me is that Hogan dares to call out Edge for not sticking around longer when Edge put more wear and tear on himself in a single year with all the insane ladders and TLC matches than Hogan did in five years. It'd be one thing if Edge were some big lumbering oaf who had five moves of doom like Hogan did, but even the orange goblin has to see the difference here.
 
It's amazing how much sensitivity is among wrestlers and these entertainers lately (Just saw an interview with Billy Graham against Jericho and was stunned) and the massive egos some of these people have.

Linky?

EDIT: This was all I could find...

Graham on Chris Jericho: “Jericho, that shows your complete lack of respect. You have the face of a choirboy, but you’ve got the heart of a devil. One day, someone will walk across your skull on the floor of hell. That’s exactly where you belong. I’m a music fan, a fan of Bob Dylan. The lyrics to one of his songs, Idiot Wind, fits you perfectly, Jericho. ‘Idiot wind blowing every time you move your teeth. You’re an idiot (babe). It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe’. I know what I’m talking about when it comes to steroids. Unfortunately, I’m an expert. I started using in 1966. I told NBC News that the Benoit murder-suicide was not as a result of steroids. I responded to a man choking an innocent seven-year-old boy to death, then murdering his wife. It was the slaughter of an innocent child and steroids had nothing to do with it. The press connected it to steroids and I had an obligation to speak out. For speaking out, Jericho called me self-centered and egotistical, only wanting to benefit myself. I received a personal phone call from Linda McMahon thanking me for stepping it up and telling it like it is. Jericho, you have made a huge mistake. You call me an egotistical idiot. If you walked by right now, I would beat the living hell out of you, then spit on your grave for trying to destroy my reputation in your phony little book.”

Yeah, stunned about covers it.

I got it on another board and it was a link to one of those non-public videos on Youtube. What you quoted was pretty much what he said.
 
clobber fist, Big Boot, Leg Drop....the occasional bodyslam

Oh and the I can't hear you move....That's five...
actually he also has the hulk up and point so that's 6 moves.
 
I got it on another board and it was a link to one of those non-public videos on Youtube. What you quoted was pretty much what he said.

It astounds me how much Graham misses the point. I'll have to read that section of the book when I get home.
 
clobber fist, Big Boot, Leg Drop....the occasional bodyslam

Oh and the I can't hear you move....That's five...
actually he also has the hulk up and point so that's 6 moves.

Let's not forget the clothesline. I'm pretty sure Hogan can handle those...somewhat. Fine, seven moves of doom! :lol:
 
Wow, this is enlightening. Apparently I underestimated 'Ol Hulk. You list all those moves, which are all accurately identified as part of his moveset, but you didn't even mention the most devastating move of all - THE BACKRAKE!...of DOOM! :lol:
 
I was gonna bring this up in my MMA thread, but UFC 131 in Vancouver Brock Lesnar VS Junior Dos Santos, you going Admiral Young?
 
Lesner. Talk about a guy who took the money and ran. I've always considered him to be a bigger douche than Hogan could be on a good day. It's not that I blame him for going on to other things, but here's a guy who didn't really pay any kind of dues, got put over by just about everybody (including Hogan), was given one of the biggest pushes in modern wrestling history and clearly didn't give a shit beyond the payday. He had absolutely no sense of loyalty or respect for what he was doing.

I also don't think he was all that great a worker. His best matches were with guys capable of having a good match with just about anybody. There's a couple of exceptions to that, but by and large Lesner was usually only as good as the guy he was working with.

Sorry. That was a bit of a tangent.

I dig UFC, but I honestly prefer boxing, and I still like pro wrestling more than MMA. Just because something has a higher brutality rate doesn't mean it's going to be better in my mind. The best of wrestling has a sense of spectacle and pageantry to it that I'll take over MMA any day. That's just me.

Hogan's Twitter comments were pretty awful, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of not realizing how something like that would read over the internet. I don't think Hogan is a bad person or even that callous. He's done some crappy things, and his ego is enormous, but again I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, believe he has a lot of respect for Edge and just didn't think before he spoke (or tweeted in this case).

As for his move set, it's clearly worked pretty well for him for the past thirty years. His contention has always been that American fans demanded less of him in the ring than Japanese fans. I've seen a few of those Japan matches, and he does in fact use moves I don't think I've ever seen him use in an American ring. It's too bad he didn't employ some of that style during his prime in the WWE. Some of his matches might have benefited from it.

I'm not a huge Hogan fan, but I'm not going to suddenly trash the guy. I've enjoyed a lot of what he's done over the years.

His TNA run has been a boring disaster though. He's contributed virtually nothing and has taken up loads of TV time doing so. At least in his last couple of WWE runs there was some interesting television and somewhat entertaining matches. I'd like to see him try for one more good angle/match and then retire. Unlike some veterans there's not a lot for him to do, and I don't see him putting in a lot of feedback on the creative side of things. He just doesn't strike me as having the mind for it. It's his right to want to stay involved in wrestling somehow, but he needs to realize his limitations at this point and try to come up with something that will let him stick around without damaging the product he's involved with. I'm not sure what that might be.

I also don't necessarily think TNA is where old wrestlers go to die. It's true that you have guys who are clearly just coasting on what little reputation they might have had (Scott Steiner springs to mind), but you also have veterans who have proven themselves capable of still having something to offer (Foley, Flair and even Sting to some extent). The problem is that TNA has this great roster of young/old guys, but the excecution of matches and storylines tends to be somewhere between disappointing and completely awful. They have the talent. They just need someone who can truly craft compelling television and book things like strong finishes. Right now they don't have that, and it's only going to get worse.

Hiring terminal fuck-ups like Jeff Hardy doesn't help either. I think the guy has years left on him, but he needs to seriously work out some shit first. Either that or he turns into Sean Waltman.
 
I wonder if they'll come back to Seattle, but for a PPV card. Ultimate Fight Night, I think was a big success for them. It was my first live UFC and I got to say it was pretty hype!

I've been to a few house shows for both Raw and Smackdown and Wrestlemania of course, but watching live shows for any sporting event is a little jarring since you don't get to hear the commentary.
 
and I still like pro wrestling more than MMA. Just because something has a higher brutality rate doesn't mean it's going to be better in my mind. The best of wrestling has a sense of spectacle and pageantry to it that I'll take over MMA any day. That's just me.

I don't think Hogan is a bad person or even that callous. He's done some crappy things, and his ego is enormous, but again I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, believe he has a lot of respect for Edge and just didn't think before he spoke (or tweeted in this case).

As for his move set, it's clearly worked pretty well for him for the past thirty years. His contention has always been that American fans demanded less of him in the ring than Japanese fans. I've seen a few of those Japan matches, and he does in fact use moves I don't think I've ever seen him use in an American ring. It's too bad he didn't employ some of that style during his prime in the WWE. Some of his matches might have benefited from it.

Actually, I pretty much transitioned from a wrestling fan to an MMA fan in 2006 because I felt that MMA was starting to do things wrestling used to better than wrestling can now. This was happening despite the fact that MMA is not fixed. The brutality is not the main appeal for me. I disagree about the lack of spectacle and pageantry and I have since I noticed that in a title match, a champion gets a really reverent build-up as they come out to a more flashy entrance than their opponent. This first time I noticed this was when Matt Hughes came out to a title fight to country music and dimmed lighting...I never thought country music could make me anticipate something! It was all in the presentation.

What hooked me into it in the first place was the build-up for the Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz match. It was like a classic wrestling feud. There was this serious, humourless veteran and this arrogant, smarmy younger guy and they had this perfect face/heel dynamic. The actual result was a nothing match, but the superb 'story' leading into it tricked me into really believing it was going to be something great.

I think UFC has since toned down the volume of pro wrestling-like speeches and supposed feuding going on as there are no longer as many fighters 'talking trash' about their opponents (although I appreciate exceptions like Josh Koscheck). Even when there is trash talk, the fighters tend to confess that they were just hyping up the match and really have no animosity (i.e. GSP and Matt Serra) after the match is over, but I still think MMA has surpassed pro wrestling in many ways.

One thing they do better is keep delivering fresh matches. In WWE, you get the same matches over and over again, for free on TV (i.e. Cena vs. Orton, Cena vs. Edge), so by the time a pay per view rolls around, it's hard to care that the same guys are against each other again. They usually try to make it seem more significant with gimmicks like ladders, but I don't think it really matters.

In addition to more novelty to matches in MMA, wins and losses seem to mean more, because you know that with a certain number of consecutive losses, a person's career could be in serious jeopardy (no phony retirement angles) and it takes several wins to become a title contender. There's no reason wins couldn't be made to matter again in pro wrestling, as they did, for example, when Bill Goldberg earned his title shots through many, many wins. Samoa Joe's undefeated streak is to date probably the best angle TNA ever did (and fucked up).

As for Hogan, I don't think he was ever very impressive as a wrestler from a technical standpoint. I saw some of his Japan work and it wasn't that great. Of course he was an excellent talker and good at making his matches into an exciting spectacle, but that was like, 20 years ago. I don't think he had a single good match in WCW and he's only been successful in the last 20 years for the following reasons:

1) The originality and clever execution of the nWo angle (at least in its first few months)
2) The novelty of an iconic 80s pro wrestling star being in the ring with modern big name wrestlers (i.e. his Wrestlemania match with The Rock, which sucked just like all his other matches since the 90s, but had an incredible atmosphere),
and
3) Wrestlers in their prime carrying him to good matches.

One thing I agree with you about is Lesnar. Like many pro wrestling fans, I was very excited by the 'crossover' appeal of him being in UFC, but interviews he's done in recent years have really soured me on him. A friend of mine who is a big MMA fan has been annoyed that Lesnar got a title shot obviously before getting a good grasp of many of the sport's fundamentals (i.e. more than just sitting on his opponent, ground and pound, and take down defense), but I used to cheer him anyway due to nostalgia for his wrestling days.

I'm sick of him badmouthing wrestling so much, though. When people ask him about it, he says stuff like "it wasn't for me, because I'm 100% real". When asked if he cared that fans booed him in his last match because they knew he was leaving, he said he didn't care because he got paid. What an ungrateful douchebag. Pro wrestling gave him so much name value that contributed to him being in a privileged position in the UFC. If not for that, he would have had to earn his title shot the way others do - through many wins and displaying a lot of talent (which he clearly doesn't have, at least not yet).
 
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Lesner did have a reputation in the back with the boys IIRC and it wasn't good. As I've stated before he's been on Botchamania tons of times, usually shown botching his finisher and dropping poor Kurt on his neck a half dozen times. I was never a fan of the Next Big Thing but acknowledged that he was over either as a heel or fan. He did contribute to the WWE.

Hogan and Bischoff in my mind have made things worse in TNA. I can't think of a single thing positive they've done since they joined the company. Immortal? nWo rehash right down to the lame ass cover of Voodoo Child.
 
Hulk Hogan's tweets about Edge's retirement:

@jays712 if any of the guys like me,Flair,Hardy,Andre,AA,Blanchard,orndoff,Henning would have listened to doctors we would have quit15yrsago
12 April 2011 05:34:53 via Echofon in reply to jays712

@jays712 but I don't know Edges working environment because they are a media company not a wrestling company. HH wrestlers work hurt!
12 April 2011 05:36:40 via Echofon in reply to jays712

Douche move considering you had the workrate of a constipated snail, orange goblin. Just because you can't let go doesn't mean Edge or anyone else should maim/kill themselves to entertain others.

I'd always heard Hogan was a bit of a prick but this really takes the cake. What an unmitigated asshole.
 
Brock Lesner the Next Big Thing or his UFC nickname the Human Turtle got put into a big match for one reason and one reason only, Big Money. He is a draw and thats all that really counts. I recall he almost killed himself doing a backflip off the top rope. If not for his huge neck I think serious injury would have resulted.
As for Hoga, well Bobby the Brain always told you this guy was a jerk. All you had to do was listen.
 
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