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wwe vs tnt anyone watching?

I don't know if it takes the cake...I think the comments referencing the Japanese tsunami and Nick's car accident are pretty up there. These are just insulting to Edge...he's a douche.
 
Icemizer said:
Brock Lesner the Next Big Thing or his UFC nickname the Human Turtle got put into a big match for one reason and one reason only, Big Money. He is a draw and thats all that really counts. I recall he almost killed himself doing a backflip off the top rope. If not for his huge neck I think serious injury would have resulted.
As for Hoga, well Bobby the Brain always told you this guy was a jerk. All you had to do was listen.
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I saw that botched shooting star press live, pretty scary, but probably not as scary as seeing Owen Hart plunge to his death. I'd figure that would be really traumatic.
 
@Robert Maxwell...Hogan cut a promo the week of the Earthquake/tsunami where he said that Immortal was gonna sweep trough TNA like a tsunami (paraphrasing big time). It was just a classless, mindless comment that got edited out of the broadcast. He apologized for the remark. The car accident remark I believe had something to with a Mr. Anderson promo but can't remember. It's on one of the recent botchamania's.
 
I admit...as a kid I liked Hogan...but now? I wish he would just go away. Ugh. :sigh: :lol:
 
I was a huge Hogan fan but now he's overstayed his welcome and doesn't seem to be contributing anything. I feel like he ran his course during his final WWE run.
 
I can't help but kinda wish he'd have a match with Stone Cold Steve Austin just for the marquee value, but to be realistic, it would probably suck due to Hogan's lack of mobility and technical prowess at this point (as Austin himself suggested).

If he'd had a match with Austin during his last WWE run and then retired/entered in the hall of fame after, that would have been a perfect way to cap off his career.
 
Too Much Fun said:
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and I still like pro wrestling more than MMA. Just because something has a higher brutality rate doesn't mean it's going to be better in my mind. The best of wrestling has a sense of spectacle and pageantry to it that I'll take over MMA any day. That's just me.

I don't think Hogan is a bad person or even that callous. He's done some crappy things, and his ego is enormous, but again I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, believe he has a lot of respect for Edge and just didn't think before he spoke (or tweeted in this case).

As for his move set, it's clearly worked pretty well for him for the past thirty years. His contention has always been that American fans demanded less of him in the ring than Japanese fans. I've seen a few of those Japan matches, and he does in fact use moves I don't think I've ever seen him use in an American ring. It's too bad he didn't employ some of that style during his prime in the WWE. Some of his matches might have benefited from it.
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Actually, I pretty much transitioned from a wrestling fan to an MMA fan in 2006 because I felt that MMA was starting to do things wrestling used to better than wrestling can now. This was happening despite the fact that MMA is not fixed. The brutality is not the main appeal for me. I disagree about the lack of spectacle and pageantry and I have since I noticed that in a title match, a champion gets a really reverent build-up as they come out to a more flashy entrance than their opponent. This first time I noticed this was when Matt Hughes came out to a title fight to country music and dimmed lighting...I never thought country music could make me anticipate something! It was all in the presentation.

What hooked me into it in the first place was the build-up for the Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz match. It was like a classic wrestling feud. There was this serious, humourless veteran and this arrogant, smarmy younger guy and they had this perfect face/heel dynamic. The actual result was a nothing match, but the superb 'story' leading into it tricked me into really believing it was going to be something great.

I think UFC has since toned down the volume of pro wrestling-like speeches and supposed feuding going on as there are no longer as many fighters 'talking trash' about their opponents (although I appreciate exceptions like Josh Koscheck). Even when there is trash talk, the fighters tend to confess that they were just hyping up the match and really have no animosity (i.e. GSP and Matt Serra) after the match is over, but I still think MMA has surpassed pro wrestling in many ways.

One thing they do better is keep delivering fresh matches. In WWE, you get the same matches over and over again, for free on TV (i.e. Cena vs. Orton, Cena vs. Edge), so by the time a pay per view rolls around, it's hard to care that the same guys are against each other again. They usually try to make it seem more significant with gimmicks like ladders, but I don't think it really matters.

In addition to more novelty to matches in MMA, wins and losses seem to mean more, because you know that with a certain number of consecutive losses, a person's career could be in serious jeopardy (no phony retirement angles) and it takes several wins to become a title contender. There's no reason wins couldn't be made to matter again in pro wrestling, as they did, for example, when Bill Goldberg earned his title shots through many, many wins. Samoa Joe's undefeated streak is to date probably the best angle TNA ever did (and fucked up).

As for Hogan, I don't think he was ever very impressive as a wrestler from a technical standpoint. I saw some of his Japan work and it wasn't that great. Of course he was an excellent talker and good at making his matches into an exciting spectacle, but that was like, 20 years ago. I don't think he had a single good match in WCW and he's only been successful in the last 20 years for the following reasons:

1) The originality and clever execution of the nWo angle (at least in its first few months)
2) The novelty of an iconic 80s pro wrestling star being in the ring with modern big name wrestlers (i.e. his Wrestlemania match with The Rock, which sucked just like all his other matches since the 90s, but had an incredible atmosphere),
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3) Wrestlers in their prime carrying him to good matches.

One thing I agree with you about is Lesnar. Like many pro wrestling fans, I was very excited by the 'crossover' appeal of him being in UFC, but interviews he's done in recent years have really soured me on him. A friend of mine who is a big MMA fan has been annoyed that Lesnar got a title shot obviously before getting a good grasp of many of the sport's fundamentals (i.e. more than just sitting on his opponent, ground and pound, and take down defense), but I used to cheer him anyway due to nostalgia for his wrestling days.

I'm sick of him badmouthing wrestling so much, though. When people ask him about it, he says stuff like "it wasn't for me, because I'm 100% real". When asked if he cared that fans booed him in his last match because they knew he was leaving, he said he didn't care because he got paid. What an ungrateful douchebag. Pro wrestling gave him so much name value that contributed to him being in a privileged position in the UFC. If not for that, he would have had to earn his title shot the way others do - through many wins and displaying a lot of talent (which he clearly doesn't have, at least not yet).
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I didnt even notice this post, but I pretty much agree with everything you mentioned, although I got inti MMA a little bit before the TUF boom and more with PRIDE (which is very pro wrestling in the pageantry) than the UFC, which was underground and slowly evolving more into a boxing style format. I was even training in MMA for a bit until it got too expensive. I'll keep up with pro wrestling every now and then buts it's gotten pretty stale for my taste.
 
well if anyone missed edge's goodbye it'll most likely be on superstars tonight . and then we TNA on tonight . okay my mistake no superstars tonight just TNA . AND boy eric,hogan and flare are so stuck in the seventies on wrestleing and people's careers.
IT's just so amazing to see people change and there people who stagnate. I like hogan but what he said about edge was just wrong . and I have tried botchamania
agin this @ admiral young . is this stuff that was cut while they were recording ?
 
Botchmania does have some things that were edited but no mostly it's all stuff that aired during the original broadcast. It gets funnier and funnier when Maffew starts using text to point things up. 167 was just uploaded this morning and has to do with Wrestlemania 27.

Yeah I saw a promo for Smackdown tomorrow night on The Score (the Canadian carrier of WWE) and we can assume that the retirement speech will be on. I'm sure they taped some kind of a tribute as well.


Some minor news...Gail Kim is rumored to be engaged to celebrity Chef Robert Irvine (one of my favorite chefs so this was a minor shock lol) and Dustin Reynolds is preparing to retire. The WWE is testing him out as a road agent.
 
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is mike goldberg from ufc related to bill goldberg ?

his first match on ufc
james toney vs randy couture


and your winner is randy couture
 
they realy need to rehire jim cornett (IF that is the correct spelling) he is all buisness and no drama . But, right now he's on ROH. argh
 
^ Was that your attempt at a joke regarding the Immortal promos? I was implying that it was pathetic they start like that.
 
yeah it was a joke . and the hole idea of the new imortal being the cream of the crop is a joke .
 
Seriously do you know how to use capitals and punctuation? It really is like you are texting every time you type a post.
 
Dustin Reynolds is preparing to retire
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Anyone think he has a shot at the Hall of Fame someday? I posted an old promo of his on my Youtube channel and got a few surprising comments from people saying they hope he'll be in the Hall of Fame someday. He didn't have a very exceptional career in the WWF or WCW (can't think of a single match of his I'd call classic, although his feuds with Brian Pillman and Razor Ramon were memorable), but he played a very original (and rather shocking at the time of its debut) character and played it very well.
 
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