Writing Women

[QuarkforNagus]

I don't get why ST writers had such a hard time writing decent female characters.

With the exception of Seven and Whoopi Goldberg, the female characters were either annoying, bitchy and/or whiny, or completely uninteresting.

This doesn't seem to limited to ST. What's so hard about writing a compelling female character?

 

[Gov Kodos]

What constitutes annoying, bitchy and/or whiny?

 

[-Brett-]

It's debatable how much is faulty writing and how much is a double standard on the part of the audience.

I won't deny that there's some of the former, but it's also not entirely the writers fault.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What constitutes annoying, bitchy and/or whiny?

Speech.

 

[Gov Kodos]

What constitutes annoying, bitchy and/or whiny?

Speech.

Proof there is no god, that. Or if there is, god isn't a man.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I don't get why ST writers had such a hard time writing decent female characters.

With the exception of Seven and Whoopi Goldberg, the female characters were either annoying, bitchy and/or whiny, or completely uninteresting.

Male characters are like that too, except they're called ambitious, determined and/or forthright, or stoic.

This doesn't seem to limited to ST. What's so hard about writing a compelling female character?

The kind of stories being told. Otherwise, they're written how a writer, producer, or studio/network wants them to be written, just like male characters.

 

[Trekker4747]

I don't get why ST writers had such a hard time writing decent female characters.

With the exception of Seven and Whoopi Goldberg, the female characters were either annoying, bitchy and/or whiny, or completely uninteresting.

This doesn't seem to limited to ST. What's so hard about writing a compelling female character?

I'd argue Seven falls under "completely uninteresting" because she was, other than being a former Borg which really didn't come to much more than her having a body full of plot contrivances to save the day. It'd mean something if she went from bland and rigid after first being de-borged and became more, you know, human over the course of time but no always stiff and talking in a rather flat voice.

 

[AgentCoop]

Janeway, Seven, Kira, Jadzia, Ro, Guinan and Torres were all well-written characters, in my opinion.

 

[JarodRussell]

Janeway was one of the cases where they tried to make her a "strong female leader" by letting her make the "tough decisions", but they completely ignored how stupid those decisions were. The result was that the character of Janeway had a completely fucked up moral compass. Many times her subordinates had to go great lengths to convince her to do the right thing, but she always stuck to her wrong path, always pulled one of those "Never dare to speak to me that way again" variations, until the last act of the episode.

The most notable example imo is the episode where the EMH goes crazy, and Seven eventually puts her foot up Janeway's ass.

 

[Forbin]

How was Seven a decent female character in any way?

 

[JarodRussell]

How was Seven a decent female character in any way?

On paper, she was a good character. But it was totally ruined by the decision to pointlessly sex her up.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You are wrong.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How was Seven a decent female character in any way?

On paper, she was a good character. But it was totally ruined by the decision to pointlessly sex her up.

Sex her up was on the paper, too.

 

[JarodRussell]

How was Seven a decent female character in any way?

On paper, she was a good character. But it was totally ruined by the decision to pointlessly sex her up.

Sex her up was on the paper, too.

When I say on paper, I mean without the visuals.

Unless the script said "REVEAL big breasted blonde in skintight catsuit."

 

[Forbin]

On paper, she was a good character. But it was totally ruined by the decision to pointlessly sex her up.

Sex her up was on the paper, too.

When I say on paper, I mean without the visuals.

Unless the script said "REVEAL big breasted blonde in skintight catsuit."

Or "Reveal Braga's adolescent emotionless ice queen fantasy."

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

How was Seven a decent female character in any way?

Unless you like a deus ex machina with enormous boobs wearing little more than body paint, then there really is nothing else to the character.

Trek does have some issues with writing strong women, often falling back on some old stereotypes, or having them there for obvious titillation. Worst still is when a female character really has no function or purpose unless hinged on a man--for example Kes was little more the Neelix's "girlfriend" at the beginning of VOY (the creepiest relationship in all of Trek), and now we have NuUhura's main function is as NuSpock's partner (where she does prove to be annoying, bitchy, whiny and totally uninteresting).

However, when the writers get it right, they do it very well indeed. For me, Kira Nerys was a strong, multi-layered and dynamic character, who grew, matured and developed significantly over time. She was tough as nails but also suffering from some deep emotional scars, whilst still having moments of being very feminine. Even when she and Odo get together, she still stands on her own as a character. But then again I am a little bias, being a big Niner and an even bigger Kira fan.

 

[Forbin]

However, when the writers get it right, they do it very well indeed. For me, Kira Nerys was a strong, multi-layered and dynamic character, who grew, matured and developed significantly over time. She was tough as nails but also suffering from some deep emotional scars, whilst still having moments of being very feminine.

Agreed 110%!

 

[Nerys Myk]

On paper, she was a good character. But it was totally ruined by the decision to pointlessly sex her up.

Sex her up was on the paper, too.

When I say on paper, I mean without the visuals.

Unless the script said "REVEAL big breasted blonde in skintight catsuit."

I'm sure the visuals were in place before the script. She was never going to be just a Borg who goes "good".

 

[Trekker4747]

On paper, she was a good character. But it was totally ruined by the decision to pointlessly sex her up.

Sex her up was on the paper, too.

When I say on paper, I mean without the visuals.

Unless the script said "REVEAL big breasted blonde in skintight catsuit."

I wouldn't have put it past Braga to write just that.

 

[QuarkforNagus]

What constitutes annoying, bitchy and/or whiny?

Belanna, Kira, Luwaxanna Troi, Vash, Ro, Janeway.

Dax doesn't count. She's both man and woman.