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writers' strike and Trek

Who are they....
The union with union rules they agreed to follow when joining much like you agreed to follow when you joined this place. Fail to follow the rules, get the boot.

Go studios!
Unions protect people from arbitrary and dictatorial management as well as ensure fair compensation for all union members.

As far as the audience goes, the studios don't give a shit about you.
 
These strike rules are preposterous. Who are they to forbid their members to talk about past work?SAG and WGA should go f themselves… at least they are now at a point where union members realize that their demands will not be met. Also, many writers and actors are close to bankruptcy due to the very limited strike payments.

Let’s just hope for the sake of all the lazy writers and actors that they come to their senses before they are getting replaced by prompt masters at ai tools.

Go studios!

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These strike rules are preposterous. Who are they to forbid their members to talk about past work?SAG and WGA should go f themselves… at least they are now at a point where union members realize that their demands will not be met. Also, many writers and actors are close to bankruptcy due to the very limited strike payments.

Let’s just hope for the sake of all the lazy writers and actors that they come to their senses before they are getting replaced by prompt masters at ai tools.

Go studios!
Hey Robert Beltran, how's your day going?
 
Let’s just hope for the sake of all the lazy writers and actors that they come to their senses before they are getting replaced by prompt masters at ai tools.
Than they have many years to "come to their senses", unless the studios want to declare banruptcy in record time. What they call AI isn't near ready to write fiction that makes sense or that is even filmable without major rewriting, by "lazy writers".

If it is all so simple, maybe the Igers and co may write themselves, they shouldn't be "lazy" given the immense amount of income they have been granted (or have granted themselves).
 
These strike rules are preposterous. Who are they to forbid their members to talk about past work?SAG and WGA should go f themselves… at least they are now at a point where union members realize that their demands will not be met. Also, many writers and actors are close to bankruptcy due to the very limited strike payments.

Let’s just hope for the sake of all the lazy writers and actors that they come to their senses before they are getting replaced by prompt masters at ai tools.

Go studios!

I'm not even awarding this a Skywalker "Every word you just said is wrong..." meme. Because the statement is so poorly informed and irrelevant to what's actually going on that it's unworthy of meming.

The "prompt masters at ai tools" thing, in this context? That's keyboard gibberish invoking something that does not exist and that your post demonstrates no knowledge whatsoever about.

Any meaningful contribution to this conversation would require some reading and research on your part - or at least watch a video on the subject put together by an expert rather than by some slavering vindictive fan type.
 
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I guess I don't need to quote a specific reply, since all of you are wrong and basically live in a fantasy world, where union fights of entertainment providers should be supported by the general public. We are talking about Hollywood slackers who think that their jobs would be so important that they could force a whole industry to meet their demands.

If the studios don't want to provide better pay to mediocre writers, maybe these writers should just pick a job where they can actually demand a decent paycheck. We are talking about the American workers reality here which usually doesn't align well with a 100 days slacker strike. In the real world, people will just stop getting paid if they chose to stop doing their job. That even applies to jobs which actually matter and are important to general society. Think about health care workers, waiters, bus drivers, paramedics, etc. When was the last time they stopped working for 100 days and shut down a whole industry? Yes never, because you just don't do that, it is not right....

And as for the prompt writing, if this wasn't such a big issue, WGA wouldn't have made this a central topic of their campaign. They are fully aware that (in time) ai tools will replace mediocre writers (and actors too). Writers and actors who actually make a difference will always be awarded a good compensation, their entertainment value is worth way more than 100 days of furry slackers strike...
 
I guess I don't need to quote a specific reply, since all of you are wrong and basically live in a fantasy world, where union fights of entertainment providers should be supported by the general public. We are talking about Hollywood slackers who think that their jobs would be so important that they could force a whole industry to meet their demands.

If the studios don't want to provide better pay to mediocre writers, maybe these writers should just pick a job where they can actually demand a decent paycheck. We are talking about the American workers reality here which usually doesn't align well with a 100 days slacker strike. In the real world, people will just stop getting paid if they chose to stop doing their job. That even applies to jobs which actually matter and are important to general society. Think about health care workers, waiters, bus drivers, paramedics, etc. When was the last time they stopped working for 100 days and shut down a whole industry? Yes never, because you just don't do that, it is not right....

And as for the prompt writing, if this wasn't such a big issue, WGA wouldn't have made this a central topic of their campaign. They are fully aware that (in time) ai tools will replace mediocre writers (and actors too). Writers and actors who actually make a difference will always be awarded a good compensation, their entertainment value is worth way more than 100 days of furry slackers strike...
Who hurt you, dude?
 
I guess I don't need to quote a specific reply, since all of you are wrong and basically live in a fantasy world, where union fights of entertainment providers should be supported by the general public. We are talking about Hollywood slackers who think that their jobs would be so important that they could force a whole industry to meet their demands.

If the studios don't want to provide better pay to mediocre writers, maybe these writers should just pick a job where they can actually demand a decent paycheck. We are talking about the American workers reality here which usually doesn't align well with a 100 days slacker strike. In the real world, people will just stop getting paid if they chose to stop doing their job. That even applies to jobs which actually matter and are important to general society. Think about health care workers, waiters, bus drivers, paramedics, etc. When was the last time they stopped working for 100 days and shut down a whole industry? Yes never, because you just don't do that, it is not right....

And as for the prompt writing, if this wasn't such a big issue, WGA wouldn't have made this a central topic of their campaign. They are fully aware that (in time) ai tools will replace mediocre writers (and actors too). Writers and actors who actually make a difference will always be awarded a good compensation, their entertainment value is worth way more than 100 days of furry slackers strike...
Had a script rejected that you thought was God's gift to whatever media groups you pitched it to,? :shrug::whistle:;)
 
We are talking about the American workers reality here which usually doesn't align well with a 100 days slacker strike. In the real world, people will just stop getting paid if they chose to stop doing their job. That even applies to jobs which actually matter and are important to general society. Think about health care workers, waiters, bus drivers, paramedics, etc. When was the last time they stopped working for 100 days and shut down a whole industry? Yes never, because you just don't do that, it is not right.....
So, if you are a member of a union it is illegal under Federal law to be fired during a union strike. Here is a list of strikes going back to 1993, per the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

Major Work Stoppages: Detailed Monthly Listing 1993-Present (bls.gov)

On it, you will find health care workers, bus drivers, nurses, teachers, machinists, aircraft workers, pilots, flight attendants, etc. They were able to strike without being fired, because US labor law protects them, as it does the writers and actors. 40 hour work week? Thanks to unions. Not working weekends? Thanks to unions. Overtime? Thanks to unions. Businesses do not do these things out of the goodness of their hearts. They do it because the workers band together and demand better treatment.
 
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We are talking about the American workers reality here which usually doesn't align well with a 100 days slacker strike.
Bullshit. Workers are striking to so how their work has value. If there is no value to their work then the companies should not pay them. Since the companies are willing to negotiate and engage in somewhat of an attempt at a dialog (loosely defined here) it shows that these works have value to the companies. So, workers striking is the best way to show their value to the companies they work for because they have no other recourse.

It always blows my minds how two concepts are viewed so separately. "I want to be paid a good wage!" Ok. "I want to pay the least amount for a product." The two things don't always line up, and then you get something poorly done or made because money had to be tight.
 
The strike rules felt extreme at the STLV convention last week in Las Vegas. The actors couldn’t say the words “Star Trek” even though we all knew we were at a Star Trek convention. Some actors got around it by saying “a show I had a significant role in the ran from year X to year Y,” while others really avoided mentioning specific shows. In the worst case they would talk about words that rhymed with episode names or characters. I thought if they’re going to go that far, they might as well just say the name aloud. Saying the names of shows and characters wouldn’t be promoting Paramount’s shows, but I guess they had to draw the line somewhere.

When Beltran kept defying the rules on purpose, at first I agreed with him. They’re really upset with him saying Voyager!? But then he kept doing it gratuitously every time he spoke.

Armin Shimerman did a very good job of articulating the reason for the strike. He said the previous contract provided royalties for syndicated airing but not streaming because streaming didn’t exist at that time. He said there is a negotiated rate they pay extras, but now technology allows them to place those same extras in the background of multiple films, and they want a provision to get paid something for every film their image is used in. I think there is a similar issue for how main actors are paid for computer generated creations of them.

All of that seems like a natural consequence of technology moving forward, and the actors and their employers having to work out a new agreement that covers the new situations arising from new technology.

Some of the actors said the strike was to prevent AI from replacing jobs. I respectfully disagree with them on that point. Nicole de Boer lamented that a third of jobs will be replaced by AI, so we should all be worried about this. I think technology will replace most jobs. Most jobs that existed a few generations ago are gone, yet the world way more prosperous and peaceful. I think that positive trend will continue. If the goal is to reduce the use of AI, I think that's wrongheaded and hopeless. I understand, however, the need for new contract terms to deal with situations arising from new technology.
 
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The strike rules felt extreme at the STLV convention last week in Las Vegas.

Strikes are extreme by their nature. They happen because things have already gotten so extreme that no other option remains. Honestly, I'm surprised the actors even went to the convention. Just being there without talking about struck work seems like threading a needle.


Some actors got around it by saying “a show I had a significant role in the ran from year X to year Y,” while others really avoided mentioning specific shows. In the worst case they would talk about words that rhymed with episode names or characters. I thought if they’re going to go that far, they might as well just say the name aloud.

That seems like violating the spirit of the rule while staying within the letter. They probably shouldn't have talked about it at all, even elliptically.


When Beltran kept defying the rules on purpose, at first I agreed with him. They’re really upset with him saying Voyager!? But then he kept doing it gratuitously very time he spoke.

The success of a strike depends on solidarity. However arbitrary a rule may seem, for a member of the union to violate a rule he agreed to follow when he joined the union is inappropriate, hypocritical, and an affront to his colleagues in the union. If he wanted to violate the rules, he should've quit the union.


Some of the actors said the strike was to prevent AI from replacing jobs. I respectfully disagree with them on that point. Nicole de Boer lamented that a third of jobs will be replaced by AI, so we should all be worried about this. I think technology will replace most jobs. Most jobs that existed a few generations ago are gone, yet the world way more prosperous and peaceful. I think that positive trend will continue. If the goal is to reduce the use of AI, I think that's wrongheaded and hopeless. I understand, however, the need for new contract terms to deal with situations arising from new technology.

That seems like a spurious argument. If you're talking about automation replacing drudgery and hard labor and dangerous work, I agree entirely. But it's bizarre to argue that should apply to creative or artistic work as well. The individual human effort, talent, and imagination that goes into the work is the entire point of it, unlike a job that's just screwing widgets into gizmos or moving numbers between spreadsheets. You can't "replace" that kind of work with automation, because that doesn't replace creativity or talent with something equivalent, it merely eliminates it.

In other words, the reason technology replacing drudge work makes the world better is because it frees the human mind to be more active and creative. Replacing artistic jobs with AI does the exact opposite of that.

Now, if there's a way to use AI in service to human artists' ideas and expression of their talent, that's fine. But that's not what the studio heads want. They want to reduce "content creation" to a mindless automated process with no individual will behind it.
 
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