writers' strike and Trek
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Well, yeah, the assumption is that the technology will get there. And will presumably get better over time like all technology seems to do, and will be indistinguishable from real-life. The only question remains of course is how long will it take. And the answer may be not very long.
The Hollywood Reporter has an article up:
Studios Quietly Go on Hiring Spree for AI Specialist Jobs Amid Picket Line Anxiety
It's a really interesting time. And technology always eliminates jobs. And then creates more.
And at some point I guess all jobs will be eliminated and we'll all be living in that Star Trek future utopia where no one has to work and everything is free. And that's when we can go and explore the stars in earnest.
Ex Astris, Scientia.
Or something like that.
Nope.
They only paid a fine of $250...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...ming-during-writers-actors-strike-1235539369/
I heard. By billionaire standards that's a penny found under the couch cushions, if that. But I guess the law is the law.
dystopia in which the machines wonder what they still need those useless meat sacks for...
Nah. You gotta train the machines. Teach them all about feudalism.
The cost of buying a house in my parents generation vs today has far outpaced inflation
The concern about AI is real
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/14/ai-kidnapping-scam-senate-hearing-jennifer-destefano
Ai scam, it sounds like your daughters voice, but it isn't. and they don't need that much of a voice example either.
Its currently a tool at the moment, but in 5 years? 10? who knows. I don't blame them for trying to get the rules set early for this.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/14/ai-kidnapping-scam-senate-hearing-jennifer-destefano
Ai scam, it sounds like your daughters voice, but it isn't. and they don't need that much of a voice example either.
Its currently a tool at the moment, but in 5 years? 10? who knows. I don't blame them for trying to get the rules set early for this.
Feudal lords had jobs in the social hierarchy. "All jobs will be eliminated" means no human oversight whatsoever, because overseeing is a job.
And of course, all jobs have not been eliminated in Star Trek...we're watching the adventures of people doing jobs in a highly competitive, structured, and disciplined work environment.
No one I know who's my age is doing as well as their parents were -- your generation -- when they were a similar age.
Thanks, by the way, for linking to an article I have pay for to read. Not going to. But the title in the tab, "Millennials Are Doing Just Fine" is a lie. Thanks for trying to think you understand us, but you don't. And never will.
That's not true AI at all, I guess it's more an algorithmic assisted electronic sound simulation or synthesiser (that has now got a lot more sophisticated and refined since the 70s/80s/90s).
Anyway the SAG, etc, strike and many other push backs against the out of touch tech bros is needed, we need to cut off potentially dangerous tech at the pass before it gets misused and rips down human society (see the creepy as fuck Social Credit network established by the Xi regine in China).
Artificial General Intelligence is still a fantasy, what the Corpos seem to be aiming at is a 21st century digital version of the Mechanical Turk - looks miraculous on the surface, but still essentially runs on the talent and input of an underpaid human strapped in beneath it out of sight.
The CEOs and billionaire owners seem to be blinded by greed, arrogance, and ignorance.
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What else is new?
Yes, but this time it's hit an unsustainable critical mass (compared to even 15-20 years ago).
Also being snowed by the AI companies desperately trying to sell their useless product to as many gullible CEOs as possible before the bubble bursts and it's exposed as snake oil.
Algorithmic "AI" is not useless but they're still in their infancy, with teething problems (if they are already getting clogged up with junk data that they're harvesting), as their owners are inevitably overselling them to corrupt CEOs who default hate their human employees.
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It makes you wonder why any of these people striking want to continue working for these corporations.
I mean, they know that the corporations and studios ultimately want to replace them. And most likely will.
Their number is strong, there's tens of thousands of people striking. They should band together and start their own corporations. Pay themselves what they feel they should be paid, and run their corporations the way that they feel it should be run.
And in the end the market will have more options.
The people who want movies and TV shows with human actors will have that option. And the people who don't care one way or the other (or prefer digital actors) will have that as an option.
And in the end everyone wins, everyone gets what they want.
I do wonder, in this hypothetical future, I imagine movies and TV shows with human actors will come at a premium price point. Because you have to pay these people.
Similar to ticket prices for professional sports. Professional athletes command a tremendous salary. So movies and TV shows with human actors I imagine will follow suit with their price point.
And the corporate stuff with the digital actors may be a cheaper entertainment option. Maybe.
Because of course the corporations may be able to produce their movies and TV shows for a cheaper price, but they in all likelihood would price it at various price points. And in doing so in the end make more money than they do now. Which is of course why corporations exist: to make money.
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I always get a chuckle when I think about it, but when a movie of TV show bombs, do the writers and actors and everyone else involved in the production give any of the money they were paid back to the studios, or do they just keep it and leave the studios high and dry.
That would be an interesting thing to work into a contract. "If this movie or TV show doesn't do 'X',' then you have to give us some of the money that we gave you back. Or how about we don't pay you anything unless this movie or TV show does 'X.'"
Of course, the studios take all of the risk and are stuck with the bill if things go south.
Anyway, the Screen Actors and Writers Guild should start their own studios. Determine their own destiny. Leave the AI to the corporations. And show that they can create a better product than the corporations can do with their AI.
You really don't have a clue, do you?It makes you wonder why any of these people striking want to continue working for these corporations.
I mean, they know that the corporations and studios ultimately want to replace them. And most likely will.
Their number is strong, there's tens of thousands of people striking. They should band together and start their own corporations. Pay themselves what they feel they should be paid, and run their corporations the way that they feel it should be run.
And in the end the market will have more options.
The people who want movies and TV shows with human actors will have that option. And the people who don't care one way or the other (or prefer digital actors) will have that as an option.
And in the end everyone wins, everyone gets what they want.
I do wonder, in this hypothetical future, I imagine movies and TV shows with human actors will come at a premium price point. Because you have to pay these people.
Similar to ticket prices for professional sports. Professional athletes command a tremendous salary. So movies and TV shows with human actors I imagine will follow suit with their price point.
And the corporate stuff with the digital actors may be a cheaper entertainment option. Maybe.
Because of course the corporations may be able to produce their movies and TV shows for a cheaper price, but they in all likelihood would price it at various price points. And in doing so in the end make more money than they do now. Which is of course why corporations exist: to make money.
Tangentially related:
I always get a chuckle when I think about it, but when a movie of TV show bombs, do the writers and actors and everyone else involved in the production give any of the money they were paid back to the studios, or do they just keep it and leave the studios high and dry.
That would be an interesting thing to work into a contract. "If this movie or TV show doesn't do 'X',' then you have to give us some of the money that we gave you back. Or how about we don't pay you anything unless this movie or TV show does 'X.'"
Of course, the studios take all of the risk and are stuck with the bill if things go south.
Anyway, the Screen Actors and Writers Guild should start their own studios. Determine their own destiny. Leave the AI to the corporations. And show that they can create a better product than the corporations can do with their AI.
What has been happening to a company like Boeing seems a good example of that. Since a CEO came to power who was only interested in financials and not in engineering, and who didn't value his engineers (they cost too much), the quality of the products it turns out has taken a nose dive. Very literally so in the case of the most well known example, the 737 Max.
Curious that before that, it was also a capitalistic company that made good profits, but it was also good for its employees and its name stood for quality. The trend for profit maximisation, at the expense of everything else, is worrying.
It's not entirely the same as the current AI does have real usecases, but the way it is presently sold makes one think of how nonsense like NFT's were being pushed just a short while ago.
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