Spoilers Would Picard actually want to...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by PatB1974, Aug 4, 2020.

  1. TrekTee

    TrekTee Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Now that he's in a new body per say, does this mean he can't hear Borg anymore?
     
  2. Random_Spock

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    I've been wondering about that one as well. You'd figure that would be the case. But would the memories remain?
     
  3. TrekTee

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    I'm kind of thinking that the writers had forgotten some of those details, the physical things the captain had endured throughout his life, In a way, tempered his body and mind with time and experience.... then to be put in another synthetic "shell".. I guess they would have more moral stories to tell in that aspect, however I feel something "historic" has been lost. It would be intriguing to see if they dive into these past issues....
     
  4. Dukhat

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    Except he didn't. Picard had nothing to do with Seven killing Bjayzl.

    And stop acting like Bjayzl was some innocent bystander, and Seven the paragon of virtue. Because they both weren’t, and you know it.

    Except he made it clear that he was going to take Jurati to a space station where she would be arrested for said murder.

    Keep repeating falsehoods, and I'll keep correcting you.
     
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  5. Charles Phipps

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    I think it sets up an interesting episode where he basically has to establish he's the "real" Picard versus a duplicate or clone.
     
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  6. The Gentleman

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    Measure Of The Man 2. Where’s Melinda Snodgrass when you need her?
     
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  7. Pubert

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    So out of my hundreds maybe thousands of Starfleet captains maybe half a dozen went crazy.


    Captain Picard didn’t give worf a weapon to kill Duross and worf was following Klingon law.

    Captain Picard didn’t give data a weapon and as far as we know never knew what data almost did.

    Those thieves tried to kill Picard


    Uh I saw “The Game” no one died or were killed in that episode. ****are you sure you’re a Star Trek TNG fan?
     
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  8. Dukhat

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    Guess Pubert was QFT there :lol:
     
  9. Pubert

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    QFT? What are you talking about?
     
  10. Dukhat

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    You originally quoted @Charles Phipps without replying to him. 'QFT' means 'Quoted for Truth.' It was a joke that obviously went over your head.
     
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  11. Charles Phipps

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    Almost like extreme traumatic events can affect people versus the other captains who don't endure it. I fully believe 99% of Starfleet captaints chart comets and analyze chemical compositiion of stars.

    Seven of Nine is a Fenris Ranger, literally the only law in the region.

    So....you agree with me? Because Picard believes strongly Seven cast aside revenge. Seven lied to him.

    And NCIS lady was a clear and present danger to XBs plus Q knows how many other people.

    It was "Conundrum."

    I admit, though, you broke the Godwin's Law of Star Trek fandom here, though. You are fandom gatekeeping and that automatically knocks you out of all future discussions of anything related to the subject. You can kill a person with a bat'leth but you can't question their fandom.

    *discommendation pose*
     
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  12. fireproof78

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    I mean, I laughed.
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    It reminded me a lot of Geordi and the Klingon governor assassination attempt. Similar circumstances and similar outcome. Never mind that every officer suffering under mind control should be under strict monitoring for a time and therapy but this is Starfleet. It's fine.
     
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  14. Sci

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    I mean, whatever. If the topic is whether or not Picard would have a problem with having his consciousness transferred into a Synth body, my answer is that that was never something he would have had a problem with because he has always thought that artificial life-forms can be persons. That's not something about his personality that has changed since TNG S2.

    There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that trauma in the TNG era is something you "overcome" forever. We see plenty of traumatized Starfleet officers in TNG and DS9.

    1) Post-traumatic stress disorder can manifest in very different ways to the same basic trigger across a person's lifespan.

    2) Picard was definitely nervous in First Contact -- he just wasn't showing it openly. Instead, he sublimated his fear into anger and aggression -- even to the point of being unwilling to destroy the Enterprise-E with all the Borg aboard it when doing so would have been the most responsible thing to do.

    3) In both PIC and FC, and in "I, Borg," Picard's behavior is dictated by his post-traumatic stress disorder. At no point does he react to the Borg without his PTSD coming into play.

    We have seen plenty of Starfleet captains and flag officers succumb to trauma.

    Trauma has nothing to do with "strength." The entire concept is toxic bullshit and has no relationship to real-world psychology. People are not weak for experiencing trauma, and refusing to express your feelings and seek treatment for your trauma or PTSD is not strength.

    Let me be clear here: If Jean-Luc Picard were a real person and you were to say something like that, you would be a cruel person. If you ever have said something like that to an officer of a military organization for experiencing trauma, then you are a cruel person and should feel ashamed of yourself.

    I doubt that he'd be able to hear the Collective anymore, yeah. Whatever residual connection might have been left between Picard's old brain and the Collective has probably been lost as a result of the brain stransfer.

    Not to be too pedantic, but bear in mind that dialogue in "Stardust City Rag" established that the Fenris Rangers are a vigilante organization operating in areas where there simply is no rule of law.
     
  15. Charles Phipps

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    Oh who hasn't been mind-controlled in Starfleet?

    Picard does seem to recognize them as having defacto authority as we see with him going, "Wait, don't the Rangers patrol this area?"
     
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    :rommie:

    I mean, sure, but they're still a vigilante militia rather than the legitimate law enforcement agency of a sovereign state. He's surprised about their inability to curtail violence, not making a statement about their legal authority.
     
  17. Vaughn Falstaff

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    it's funny as data didn't want special measures to prolong his consciousness, but picard is cool as an android. it's almost a role reversal. if data chose to live he could have counselled picard in android existence as picard mentored him in TNG.
     
  18. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Synthetic scotch, synthetic captains...
     
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  19. Sci

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    Coming back to this, I think the issue here would be quality of life. He's had an artificial heart for 70 years after all; I don't think Picard minds using medical care to extend his life at all. I suspect what he would object to is keeping himself alive if his quality of life were negatively impacted; he wouldn't want to be a brain-in-a-vat a la Futurama, but I don't think he has a problem with being transferred to an android body if his quality of life is basically the same or improved.
     
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  20. Charles Phipps

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    I think Picard would probably have turned it down if asked ahead of time but isn't going to whine about it post-humously.
     
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