I think you misunderstood my point. I was commenting on the idea of Picard being put in to a younger body.
And Picard is not my hero.
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And Picard is not my hero.
Even though, you were mentioning how it was out of character. This isn't Picard as we last saw him. Again, 20 years have past. I doubt you're still the exact same person you were 20 years ago. Hell, I changed a lot in the last 2 years. All this 'Character X wouldn't act like this' only stands if said character behaved differently one or two episodes ago. Like Janeway.
I'll restate-I feel it is against his personal values as presented.Even though, you were mentioning how it was out of character. This isn't Picard as we last saw him. Again, 20 years have past. I doubt you're still the exact same person you were 20 years ago. Hell, I changed a lot in the last 2 years. All this 'Character X wouldn't act like this' only stands if said character behaved differently one or two episodes ago. Like Janeway.
And Janeway is a poor example for anything other that a need for therapy.
It was stated that he will live a normal 24th/25th century lifespan just like anyone else. Only the neurological disorder was removed.
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Even though, you were mentioning how it was out of character. This isn't Picard as we last saw him. Again, 20 years have past. I doubt you're still the exact same person you were 20 years ago. Hell, I changed a lot in the last 2 years. All this 'Character X wouldn't act like this' only stands if said character behaved differently one or two episodes ago. Like Janeway.
But as was stated before, Picard is just a fictional character, subject to the whims of whoever is writing his lines. It doesn't really matter that a long span of time has passed, because if the writers wanted him to remain the exact same character he was in TNG, that's what would have happened. Yes, there's a modicum of difference when we're talking about the actor's limitations (i.e. no writer in 2020 is going to have Stewart riding dune buggies or going on an adrenaline-fueled rampage after some Borg who invaded his ship), but unequivocally stating that Picard would feel emotion X about situation Y is kind of absurd. He will feel whatever the scriptwriter will make him feel.
I personally feel like the writers turned Picard into a self-centered asshole. It's not the kind of characterization I would have wanted, nor do I feel that it was realistic to what I know of the character from TNG, even after an extended period of time. But none of my feelings mattered; the writers made the character that way in order to tell the story they wanted.
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Sweet, for decades of Picard coming up!
The novels did the Myriad Universes story anthologies over a decade ago, basically "what if" stories chronically if something went differently that it did in the actual Trek Canon. In one, about what if Dr. Soong actually was a respected scientist who successfully created synthetic life, it ends with Picard choosing to have his conscious transferred into an android body.
Considering Patrick Stewart himself was intimately involved with the creation of the series, and is the only actor to regularly play the character itself; I'd say no the writing for the character wasn't flawed in the least
I'm really tired of the major character he's-dead-oh-wait-he's-not trope.
There's just no drama or grief if you know he/she's comin' back by the end of the ep. And I was preeeeety sure Picard was gonna get resuscitated somehow.
Data's was touching (this time) because I do think he's really gone. Watch me be wrong.
There's just no drama or grief if you know he/she's comin' back by the end of the ep. And I was preeeeety sure Picard was gonna get resuscitated somehow.
Data's was touching (this time) because I do think he's really gone. Watch me be wrong.
I am wondering how much of the self centered asshole - ness was due to the neurological disorder. I've always viewed Picard as rather arrogant at times and maybe said disorder amplified it.
Id go with, he wouldn't chose it, but since it was given to him, he's not going to commit seppuku.
If much rather a positrinic part that was inserted to fix the syndrome areas than total body replacement.
Something like McCoy in for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky resolution. Androids had a medical fix to the problem.
If much rather a positrinic part that was inserted to fix the syndrome areas than total body replacement.
Something like McCoy in for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky resolution. Androids had a medical fix to the problem.
He's fine with it. When the evil AI robots inevitably invade to wipe out all organic life, Picard will be on the winning side this time.
Season 2 opens with Picard flying into a rage smashing his Ressikan flute into pieces, throwing Shakespearean books from his shelves, screaming "none of it matters! I'm artificial! I'm not me! Noooooo" *smashes ship display"
Finally many episodes later he comes to terms with it and turns to the audience "I'm Jean Luc f-----g Picard." But it's too late, his artificial body finally dies in Dr. Crusher's arms, critically injured after fist fighting Q (John de Lancie) on top of a volcano.
Then Q turns to Crusher and says "he finally understood what I told him all those years ago"
Moments later his android body starts glowing and he evolves into a being of pure energy, leaving for a new adventure. Cut to credits.
Finally many episodes later he comes to terms with it and turns to the audience "I'm Jean Luc f-----g Picard." But it's too late, his artificial body finally dies in Dr. Crusher's arms, critically injured after fist fighting Q (John de Lancie) on top of a volcano.
Then Q turns to Crusher and says "he finally understood what I told him all those years ago"
Moments later his android body starts glowing and he evolves into a being of pure energy, leaving for a new adventure. Cut to credits.
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When you get closer to death and are offered an unexpected extension... who would say no
I will say this turn is really not my favorite plot device at all, but this is how I make sense of it, too. Sure, he may have a philosophical issue with it, but it's hard to be mad at getting some extra time. He is (or was? lol) only human, which is kinda the point this show keeps driving home.
It‘ll make for a good „ship of Theseus“ arc next season.
He was 137 when we saw him in Encounter at Farpoint. He may have lived far longer. He went on to show up in many comics and novels where I know he lived at least another 15 years. Checkov and Uhura also showed up in the Renegades fan films, and Sulu is strongly hinted to still be around working in Starfleet security in another novel. The new (human) first officer of DS9 in the post-series novels is 100 when he takes the job and no one bats an eye.
He wouldn't have minded a couple of extra decades in fact.
Picard had just gone through all of the trouble he did because he's spent the past fifteen years wasting his life. While I don't think he's afraid of dying at this point (and people in TNG are afraid of dying, no matter what Roddenberry says), he's happy to treasure every bit he can of his extended "one last adventure."
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I wouldn't be surprised if Picard goes through a bit of a identity crisis and questioning over whether he's the real deal (it's good story fodder after all) but he's not going to commit suicide when he has so much work to do. Certainly, synth rights are something he now has an active dog in the fight of.
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